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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:49 am to The Spleen
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To admit that homosexuality is not a choice is to admit the God you worship is not the all-loving God you were taught about.
Not necessarily. There are quite a large contingent of gay Christians. They do some mental gymnastics to the bible to justify it IMHO, but they're there.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:49 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
quote:That is what God says to do. Even if he isn't real, seems to be a pretty good philosophy for relating to others.
Love the sinner, hate your own sin is probably a better way to go about it.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:50 am to Moustache
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If someone says they're gay or I read a story about someone coming out, I'm expected to say something about how "brave" and "awesome" it is and how we as a society are moving forward.
Who made you feel compelled to say such things? I don't believe anyone forced you to watch it on tv or read about it, much less comment on it about how "brave or awesome" it is. You don't like the story...move on.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:51 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Love the sinner, hate your own sin is probably a better way to go about it.
This is the correct attitude to go about it if you're Christian.
Their sin of homosexuality is no different than my owns sins I struggle with daily.
The only thing that sticks out is many not admitting it is a sin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:52 am to Alahunter
I applaud the young man. A weight if off of his shoulders and he was the one to lift it. Guy is a phenomenal athlete and will make the ones who pick him proud.
Now, with all the religious bullshite, God is a God of tolerance for sure, BUT its tolerance of those misguided. By and large God made homosexuals who they are, so why would he need to show tolerance for his own creation? If they are kind, good people then they are ok in my book.
Bring it.
Now, with all the religious bullshite, God is a God of tolerance for sure, BUT its tolerance of those misguided. By and large God made homosexuals who they are, so why would he need to show tolerance for his own creation? If they are kind, good people then they are ok in my book.
Bring it.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:53 am to Alahunter
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In certain ones, yes. But in others..it was a pretty big contributor. There were many Romans that spoke of the self indulgence and moral turpitude that existed just before it's downfall, and feared it's downfall because of the preoccupation of it's own decadence.
People also blame the introduction of Christianity for the fall of Rome, doofus.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:53 am to Moustache
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They do some mental gymnastics to the bible to justify it IMHO, but they're there.
Kind of off subject, but I don't understand how anyone takes the bible word for word. That's a pure idiot, imo, and I believe in God and go to church a few times a year.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:53 am to Moustache
quote:I agree. However, it isn't incumbent on Christians to go around calling this out at every opportunity either. Indeed, just using the label "sin" is often misleading as it carries with it, to those outside of orthodox Christianity, a connotation greater that what is really meant by identifying something as a sin.
The only thing that sticks out is many not admitting it is a sin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:54 am to WheelRoute
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People also blame the introduction of Christianity for the fall of Rome, doofus.
It's widely considered among many historians to be the main reason for the fall of Rome.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:57 am to Alahunter
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Meaning they had abandoned and turned their back on Christianity.
well I've also stated that I believe the Bible was written by man, and also likely changed by man throughout the years.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:58 am to cas4t
What about those that aren't Christians?
Why should anyone who does not believe in Christianity care about "sin"?
Why should anyone who does not believe in Christianity care about "sin"?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:59 am to The Spleen
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It's widely considered among many historians to be the main reason for the fall of Rome.
Link?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:59 am to StringedInstruments
quote:They shouldn't. Unless they turn out to be wrong.
Why should anyone who does not believe in Christianity care about "sin"?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:03 am to DCRebel
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You don't mind people being gay, but you just don't want them doing gay things?
This is the disconnect here. Christians don't necessarily believe people are inherently gay. They are just straight people who, for whatever reason, want to have sex with a man. That's where the "acting on it" part comes in play. IMO its not that simple. Its not like adultery where you might imagine being with a woman who is not your wife, but you aren't actual adulterer unless you act on it. Sorry, guys, if you imagine being with another man you're definitely gay. There's nothing wrong with that just as there's nothing wrong with acting on it.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:04 am to WDE24
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Unless they turn out to be wrong.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:06 am to The Calvin
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:09 am to The Spleen
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It's widely considered among many historians to be the main reason for the fall of Rome.
No it isn't.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:10 am to StringedInstruments
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Link?
The History of the Decline and the Fall of the Roman Empire is the primary scholastic work that comes to mind that pegs Christianity as one of the contributing factors in Rome's deterioration. It has its share of detractors, but it's a thorough study (multiple volumes, published in the 18th century) and still cited.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:11 am to StringedInstruments
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Why should anyone who does not believe in Christianity care about "sin"?
I agree with you.
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