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re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:11 am to Moustache
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:11 am to Moustache
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This is not proven.
Dude, the proof is in the pudding.
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There is no genetic link to prove it.
There's no genetic link to prove that some people prefer chicken to fish. I guess then you're telling me that these people don't actually prefer chicken to fish?
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But here's, my question: If people are born with a strong attraction to the same sex (on a sliding scale, not black and white), then wouldn't the same apply to people who have a major attraction to children or animals?
Yes. I also believe that some people are born with a natural inclination to violence or destruction. That itself doesn't make it okay.
You yourself fully recognize the difference, as you did say that you "do not in any way think homosexuality should be illegal as it is victimless." Pedophilia is a fancy word for "child rape," as children can't consent to sex. I suppose you could say the same for bestiality (I, admittedly, don't really know a lot about what goes on there though...).
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:11 am to TbirdSpur2010
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This thread has gone 50 pages because it's national news
That's kind of my point. Why is it even news? It's news and it's 50 plus pages because a large segment of our population have and will hold it against Sam that he is gay. If people truly didn't care that he was gay and didn't hold it against him, then it wouldn't be national news and this thread wouldn't be 50 pages.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:11 am to darkhorse
Probably not. They're getting to the homosexual rights are equal to the racial civil rights arguments now it seems.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:12 am to WDE24
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Nothing in a proper reading of the Bible would justify bigotry, hate or discrimination
The New Testament, anyways.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:13 am to WDE24
Someone catch me up please.
Bible thumpers vs. Enlightenists?
Bible thumpers vs. Enlightenists?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:13 am to Alahunter
quote:A proper reading of the whole text.
The New Testament, anyways.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:14 am to Hog on the Hill
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A pedophile who acts on his or her urges to engage in sexual relations with children is victimizing a child who cannot consent to sexual behavior. The cause of the perpetrator's motive is irrelevant.
Likewise, a psychopathic killer could arguably be said to be predisposed to a life of violence, but we don't let them run free after they've victimized people.
I also don't see how this relates to homosexuality. You said yourself that homosexuals in relationships with each other are acting among consenting adults, so no crimes are committed.
I agree with what you're saying, but if homosexuality is innate, isn't pedophilia? I find most people not to believe pedophilia is innate and is indeed a choice, while homosexuality is not.
Obviously, I'm not saying pedophiles shouldn't be charged with crimes because there is a victim here. However, my point is that if you believe one is innate, then the others must be innate too.
Also, people believing homosexuality is genetic without proof are being intellectually dishonest. You telling me to take your word for it is like me telling you to take my word for it that the bible is truth.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:14 am to Tackle74
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Those who openly denigrate and push for discrimination vs Homosexuals will in the future be looked upon like the bigots of our racial history. Funny many racist tried to use religion to justify their hatred just like those who hate gays do today.
Please don't compare gay rights with African Americans civil rights smh
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:14 am to WDE24
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Which is also a legitimate debate. To say that neither has been proven to the exclusion of the other.
This is another debate for another thread, but this is only the case if you can do all sorts of mental gymnastics.
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I get that you have an issue with religious people, but you are beginning to sound come of as more ignorant than I normally know you to be.
Am I wrong in this? Find me an irreligious person who sides with you on homosexuality. Please. I'll scale back my broad-brushing if you can do that.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:14 am to Alahunter
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I said, I shouldn't be forced to celebrate or accept it.
I agree with this to a point. Forced to celebrate it, no. Think it is a sin, fine. Speak out your opinion, fine. Discriminate against those that are gay, not fine.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:14 am to cas4t
quote:Not sure. I just jumped in a couple of pages ago.
Someone catch me up please.
Bible thumpers vs. Enlightenists?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:15 am to DCRebel
quote:Not really.
but this is only the case if you can do all sorts of mental gymnastics.
quote:What do you mean sides with me on homosexuality? As far as it being genetic or not?
Find me an irreligious person who sides with you on homosexuality.
It is science, it is not opinion. Science has found no genetic link at this time.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:16 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:16 am to Tackle74
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Funny many racist tried to use religion to justify their hatred just like those who hate gays do today.
They didn't go by the bible then and were completely wrong.
Besides, this comparison doesn't work unless there is undeniable proof that homosexuality is caused by a genetic condition or some other easily provable condition. Right now, all we have is some very "loose" science based on "epigenetics."
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:16 am to Tackle74
I just want to know who the hell is forcing anyone to celebrate it? 
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:16 am to Tackle74
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. Discriminate against those that are gay, not fine
I've not seen anyone who disagrees with it, or think it's a sin.. mention anything to be discriminatory. However, I've seen a lot of words like bigot, prejudiced, and the likes thrown out, because of calling it a sin, or not wanting to celebrate it.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:17 am to Tackle74
Some people skew the word 'discriminate' to make themselves feel better.
The fact of the matter is that we ar ein an era where religion no longer dictates rights.
The fact of the matter is that we ar ein an era where religion no longer dictates rights.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:17 am to WDE24
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I guess it depends on what you mean by homosexual. Certainly you believe that someone has the choice or not to engage in sex with someone of the same gender.
I'm talking about people who are, through no fault or choice of their own, sexually and romantically attracted to people of their own gender.
The whole "well they can choose to not act on it" is ridiculous. So you just want them to all be celibate?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:18 am to Alahunter
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I shouldn't be forced to celebrate or accept it.
This is the main thing.
If someone says they're gay or I read a story about someone coming out, I'm expected to say something about how "brave" and "awesome" it is and how we as a society are moving forward. If I say nothing I'm called a bigot. If i call it a sin, I'm a bigot.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:18 am to Alahunter
quote:I haven't read this whole thread, so I don't know if it has occurred here, but it probably has. There are lots of Christians that use the teaching of Christianity as justification for bigotry and discrimination against those who identify as homosexuals.
I've not seen anyone who disagrees with it, or think it's a sin.. mention anything to be discriminatory. However, I've seen a lot of words like bigot, prejudiced, and the likes thrown out, because of calling it a sin, or not wanting to celebrate it.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:18 am to boXerrumble
NFL gonna have a tough time with this one.
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