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re: Make the SEC schedule with 9 teams
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:38 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:38 pm to Evolved Simian
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The B1G did it solely because their TV contract was up for renegotiation and they wanted to bring extra inventory to the table.
It is actually less inventory. But the Big10 likes to think of themselves as smart, so we let them keep thinking that.
14 SEC teams play an out of conference game = 14 separate games (14 TV slots, 14 stadium revenues, etc..)
14 SEC teams play one another and you get 7 separate games (7 TV slots, 7 stadiums, etc..)
There is no "extra money" in a 9th conference game unless you are talking about the SECCG which is the 9th game to end all 9th games.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 10:39 pm
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:48 pm to Evolved Simian
SEC teams that have played 6 or more top 30 Sagarin opponents:
Georgia 7
Florida 6
Kentucky 6
South Carolina 6
Vanderbilt 6
Tennessee 8
Alabama 6
MSU 6
LSU 7
ATM 7
Auburn 6
Mississippi 6
Arkansas 6
That is thirteen of the fourteen conference members, btw.
B1G teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is a little over 3
PAC12 teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is about 4
Big12 teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is a little over 3
ACC teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is just over 3. Half of the ACC only played 2.
In fact, only six non-SEC teams in ALL OF THE P5 even played 5 of the top 30. Only a moron can look at the data and think 9 games is a good idea for the SEC. It's honestly just a terrible idea.
Georgia 7
Florida 6
Kentucky 6
South Carolina 6
Vanderbilt 6
Tennessee 8
Alabama 6
MSU 6
LSU 7
ATM 7
Auburn 6
Mississippi 6
Arkansas 6
That is thirteen of the fourteen conference members, btw.
B1G teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is a little over 3
PAC12 teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is about 4
Big12 teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is a little over 3
ACC teams that have played at least 6 top 30 Sagarin teams:
None Average is just over 3. Half of the ACC only played 2.
In fact, only six non-SEC teams in ALL OF THE P5 even played 5 of the top 30. Only a moron can look at the data and think 9 games is a good idea for the SEC. It's honestly just a terrible idea.
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 2:40 am
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:50 pm to meansonny
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There is no "extra money" in a 9th conference game
There is for television. The B1G contract valued conference games higher than non conference games for the lower tiers.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:12 pm to biggsc
Absolutely not
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:18 pm to meansonny
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14 SEC teams play an out of conference game = 14 separate games (14 TV slots, 14 stadium revenues, etc..)
14 SEC teams play one another and you get 7 separate games (7 TV slots, 7 stadiums, etc..)
You’re wrong for multiple reasons.
Imagine an 8 game B1G schedule where a team schedules a P5 opponent out of conference, and three G5 teams. All those G5 games would be broadcast on the B1G, so the B1G would have claims to all 8 conference games, a P5 game, and 3 G5 games. That’s all 12 games. But in the years where they played away? Then it’s 11, with three of those G5. So they average 4.5 P5 home games broadcast under a B1G media deal and 4 away games. 4.5 + 4 + 2 = 11.5
Now make it a 9 game conference schedule with one P5 OOC. There are now 4.5 conference home games and 4.5 away games under B1G control, .5 out of conference P5, and two G5. 4.5 + 4.5 + .5 + 2 = 11.5.
The exact same “overall inventory” in each scenario. The B1G would control everything except a P5 away game every other year.
Why that means more inventory for the B1G is that you’re giving them more P5 inventory overall, which means more P5 inventory per week, and thus more quality inventory for Tier 3 selection after the Tier 1 and Tier 2 games are selected. The conferences promise a fixed number of games per week to the other networks and the excess now contains another conference game instead of a G5 powderpuff for the B1G to broadcast.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 2:38 am to TeLeFaWx
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You’re wrong for multiple reasons.
Imagine an 8 game B1G schedule where a team schedules a P5 opponent out of conference, and three G5 teams. All those G5 games would be broadcast on the B1G, so the B1G would have claims to all 8 conference games, a P5 game, and 3 G5 games. That’s all 12 games. But in the years where they played away? Then it’s 11, with three of those G5. So they average 4.5 P5 home games broadcast under a B1G media deal and 4 away games. 4.5 + 4 + 2 = 11.5
Now make it a 9 game conference schedule with one P5 OOC. There are now 4.5 conference home games and 4.5 away games under B1G control, .5 out of conference P5, and two G5. 4.5 + 4.5 + .5 + 2 = 11.5.
The exact same “overall inventory” in each scenario. The B1G would control everything except a P5 away game every other year.
Why that means more inventory for the B1G is that you’re giving them more P5 inventory overall, which means more P5 inventory per week, and thus more quality inventory for Tier 3 selection after the Tier 1 and Tier 2 games are selected. The conferences promise a fixed number of games per week to the other networks and the excess now contains another conference game instead of a G5 powderpuff for the B1G to broadcast.
This doesn't even take into account that half the conference loses a home game every year.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:28 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:It's not too often that I see something posted on this site that makes sense but this is one of those times. Well said.
All conferences are not created equal, and until they are, using a system adopted by inferior idiots is stupid. If you really want to play conference teams more often, just eliminate the permanent cross division rivals.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:42 pm to biggsc
I would support 9 team schedule with a 13 game regular season.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:55 pm to tigerburningbright75
Not gonna happen. The conferences playing 9 are the ones that have missed the playoffs some years. Also they play teams like Northwestern in the conf championship.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 2:47 pm to Evolved Simian
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There is for television. The B1G contract valued conference games higher than non conference games for the lower tiers.
Let's take this slowly.
Does it value more than 2 out of conference games? Because you aren't comparing to 1.
The answer is no.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 3:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You’re wrong for multiple reasons.
Imagine an 8 game B1G schedule where a team schedules a P5 opponent out of conference, and three G5 teams. All those G5 games would be broadcast on the B1G, so the B1G would have claims to all 8 conference games, a P5 game, and 3 G5 games. That’s all 12 games. But in the years where they played away? Then it’s 11, with three of those G5. So they average 4.5 P5 home games broadcast under a B1G media deal and 4 away games. 4.5 + 4 + 2 = 11.5
Now make it a 9 game conference schedule with one P5 OOC. There are now 4.5 conference home games and 4.5 away games under B1G control, .5 out of conference P5, and two G5. 4.5 + 4.5 + .5 + 2 = 11.5.
The exact same “overall inventory” in each scenario. The B1G would control everything except a P5 away game every other year.
Why that means more inventory for the B1G is that you’re giving them more P5 inventory overall, which means more P5 inventory per week, and thus more quality inventory for Tier 3 selection after the Tier 1 and Tier 2 games are selected. The conferences promise a fixed number of games per week to the other networks and the excess now contains another conference game instead of a G5 powderpuff for the B1G to broadcast.
You are wrong. First, there is no such thing as a half televised game.
8 conference games for the bigx equals 56 games per year (7 games per week times 8 scheduled games).
1 P5 OOC home and home gives the bigx 7 games per year (7 home games and 7 road games leaves 7 for TV).
3 G5 OOC home only games gives the bigx 42 televised games (14 teams times 3 weeks of scheduled games).
The sum under an 8 game conference schedule is 105 televised games for their networking.
When the bigx goes to 9 conference games, that is 63 games for TV (7 sites for 9 weeks).
The P5 home and home OOC still nets 7 games for tv (14 games but only half are home each year so only 7 go on the TV network).
The G5 home only games are 28 televised games (14 teams for 2 weeks of scheduled games).
The total sum of network games is 98 home games on TV for the bigx.
I don't think you are very good at math. There are 14 teams in the bigx. You need to think of games in a 14 team conference (since it is the conference inventory) and you will see where you screwed up.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 3:43 pm to biggsc
It means more away games. I heard every other year you would play more away games than home. That’s why Joe Aleva is against it.
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