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re: LF7 Wins Heisman if Voters Watch Every Game!!

Posted on 7/3/16 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 4:25 pm to
We didn't play W. Michigan last year.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 4:29 pm to
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the NFL is tired of drafting them and finding out that they don't have anything left in the tank. 

Fournette will end his college career with a couple hundred more carries than Heisman winner Derrick Henry
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Then, I point out that it really doesn't matter because everybody watched Saban run him into the ground with 400 carries which caused his draft stock to plummet. Crickets. 

Henry averaged 3 more carries per game than Fournette. He was the 2nd RB selected.

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 4:30 pm to
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SEC stats to those scrubs Todd Gurley and Herschel Walker. Please forgive me.



Going back to 1980 is flawed, and even thinkin about looking that up is a problem, but choosing to go through with it and include that over a player from the same exact class is a sign you might be beyond hope.
Posted by BlackCloud
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 4:38 pm to
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Fournette will end his college career with a couple hundred more carries than Heisman winner Derrick Henry

And he will still be picked in the top 5 next year.
It's not just the carries that have NFL owners worried. It's the toll that playing for the little man with the Napoleon Complex takes on these young men. It just sucks the life out of them.

I don't have time now. But I will start a thread, when I have time, about a conversation I had with someone who works in an NFL scouting department. They basically view the bama coaching staff as a "helicopter program" that maximizes the players and their potential while they are still in college. Once they get paid and get to the NFL they just don't have anything left. It's sad.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 4:47 pm to
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It's the toll that playing for the little man with theNapoleon Complex takes on these young men. It just sucks the life out of them. 
Yes, being the only SEC running back ever to win the Heisman, Doak, Maxwell, and Walter Camp award probably sucks the life out of a guy. Especially when you pile on a National Championship. Poor Derrick, the millionaire most decorated RB in SEC history. Start your thread so everyone can point and laugh.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 5:33 pm to
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Well, I certainly don't. I think Fournette is a great running back. but....try turning your question around. Why do people diminish Henry's accomplishments? This thread was a shot at Henry. It wasn't a shot at Fournette.


The irony is likely lost on him.
Posted by PrairievilleTiger
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 5:36 pm to
Y'all are so stupid. If bama had Fournette they would be jocking his arse! They would be saying how great he is. Since he didn't chose Bama he sucks. Lol
Posted by Lsuchs
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 5:42 pm to
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If florida is a push so is auburn. Henry had more yards but way more carries. I think your giving lf the bod again auburn because of the highlight reel shuck


I gave fournette the nod bc he only had 44 less yards on 27 less carries, while also scoring 2 more touchdowns
2 of which were over 25 yard runs, so it's not like he just kept getting the ball at the 1
Fournette had 3 second half carries again auburn, and was not tackled on any of them: 2 tds and one dragged 5 players out of bounds. Sorry we didn't need to pad his stats by well over doubling his carries?

Against Florida fournette had 11 less yards on 13 less carries. A push is generous
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 6:07 pm
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 5:45 pm to
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Common opponents. Heisman winner Derrick Henry dwarfed Fournette against the SEC and against quality defenses. This was a good troll, btw.


You have a better way to compare to RBs then by comparing their numbers against common opponents?

Fournette's numbers per game (had 3 less games) are better than Henry's in every statistical category that exists minus carries per game (1 less)
Someone claims subpar competition so I switch to common opponents only. Fournette was just as effective
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 5:58 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61955 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:05 pm to
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Sorry I compared his SEC stats to those scrubs Todd Gurley and Herschel Walker. Please forgive me.


Two excellent backs, no doubt. Which back is better? Chubb or Fournette?







Look, stats don't tell the whole story. Right now, Fournette is the better back because Chubb is injured and we have no way of knowing how strongly he comes back. But, you claimed the goal posts were being moved by Alabama fans. So, if you don't want to move those goal posts, do you want to say that Chubb is a better back than Fournette? Chubbs best year was better than Fournette's best year using the stats you chose to use when comparing Fournette to Henry.

Moving goal posts is something we all do. It's not unique to Alabama fans, LSU fans or Georgia fans.

Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:10 pm to
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And he will still be picked in the top 5 next year.
It's not just the carries that have NFL owners worried. It's the toll that playing for the little man with the Napoleon Complex takes on these young men. It just sucks the life out of them.


Now it is you who are moving the goal posts. First you say Henry had the advantage because his OL was much better. Now you want to say Henry will not be as good because he has had a toll taken on him? Toll from what? He has a better OL, will have carried the ball fewer times...what is the toll coming from?

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They basically view the bama coaching staff as a "helicopter program" that maximizes the players and their potential while they are still in college. Once they get paid and get to the NFL they just don't have anything left. It's sad.


Yet the NFL still keeps drafting them high.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61955 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:12 pm to
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Y'all are so stupid. If bama had Fournette they would be jocking his arse! They would be saying how great he is. Since he didn't chose Bama he sucks. Lol


And if Fournette had gone to Bama? What would LSU fans be saying about him? Overrated? Used up? Only good because of the OL?
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61955 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:13 pm to
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Fournette's numbers per game (had 3 less games) are better than Henry's in every statistical category that exists minus carries per game (1 less)


And yards per game.
Not sure...but TD?
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:19 pm to
-yards per game
-yards per carry
-TDs per game
-TDs per carry

Everything besides 1 less carry per game

Henry:
25% more games
32% more carries

13% more yards
22% more TDs
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 6:23 pm
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:23 pm to
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And if Fournette had gone to Bama? What would LSU fans be saying about him? Overrated? Used up? Only good because of the OL?


Some might. But it would be fournette not Henry they were talking about

Henry is a great back. He's not only good bc of his Oline. Fournette is just better IMO, and pretty much every body else's besides bama fans

Check out what NFL GMs think next draft. See how valuable he is to a franchise compared to Henry

So much is put into the head to head. Bama absolutely took control of the line of scrimmage on both sides. Do I really need to create a YouTube channel and edit and link the first 3 carries of the game for both of them?
Look at Arkansas vs LSU and Arkansas vs bama...
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 6:35 pm
Posted by CrimsonBuc
Member since Jun 2016
254 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:34 pm to
Problem last year is they watched every game, including the Alabama game where he was held to 31 yards.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:38 pm to
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Problem last year is they watched every game, including the Alabama game where he was held to 31 yards.



Fournette had to go against the bama Defense, and Henry had to go against the ferocious Steele led LSU defense no?




That first Alex Collins is clearly better than the other one right?
Or is it the same exact guy, against different fronts

This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 6:40 pm
Posted by cincyykid
in a swamp far far away
Member since Mar 2016
1302 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:42 pm to
Fournette is the best back in college football, and is better than Henry imo, but Henry ran through auburn like swiss cheese that night. Just because lf7 scored more doesn't give him the edge imo. Auburn ' run d was garbage last year anyway
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:48 pm to
So what gives Henry the edge against auburn?
Give me one thing beside having 60% more carries. 60% more carries that went for only 16% more yards and 1/3 of the touchdowns.
If Henry treated auburn like Swiss cheese fournette treated auburn like melted cheese
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 7:10 pm
Posted by Bamadoc
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2014
4660 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:52 pm to
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Y'all are so stupid. If bama had Fournette they would be jocking his arse! They would be saying how great he is. Since he didn't chose Bama he sucks. Lol


He sucks against us so...

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