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re: Let's examine this high flying, potent Arkansas offense
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:57 am to ocelot4ark
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:57 am to ocelot4ark
I just realized you are from New York. Your post make perfect sense now.
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:58 am to ocelot4ark
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LSU o-line >>>>>>>>>> Arky d-line...no matter how healthy
Wasn't the argument.
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LSU d-line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arky o-line...no matter how healthy. We stopped Richardson...im sure we can stop Arkansas' 2nd best RB
Wasn't the argument.
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our punt coverage has allowed 2 FEET per return......thats feet
ALMOST the argument.
You're getting better! It's cute. Don't stop trying.
you really are frickin' retarded
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:59 am to Choctaw
bottom line
our o-line >>>>>>>> your d-line
our d-line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your o-line
this is where the game is won and this is why arky doesn't stand a chance. Spread should be LSU -24
ETA: LSU is also better than Arky at every position on the field besides QB. deal with it
our o-line >>>>>>>> your d-line
our d-line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your o-line
this is where the game is won and this is why arky doesn't stand a chance. Spread should be LSU -24
ETA: LSU is also better than Arky at every position on the field besides QB. deal with it
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:04 pm to Choctaw
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LSU is also better than Arky at every position on the field besides QB. deal with it
I'd say their WR's are better than ours as a whole, but other than that we take the cake...Can't wait, first game I'll be able to make this year and it will be a 1 vs top 5 possibly!
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:09 pm to ocelot4ark
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I always assumed that an effective offense (putting up lots of yards), would be good in the red zone. But I suppose it's possible that they have to settle for lots of field goals.
So I guess something like yards per play plus red zone efficiency would tell me more about an offense than points per game.
I was away and couldn't reply then and the pages moved fast.
You are finally getting to understand the issue with offenses and yards vs points.
It is illogical to bring the Tebow and DMac comparison to what is essentially a team effort. Those two are individuals who formed part of the effort.
But to answer that question - if the purpose of those two players in each game was to score rushing TDs and Tim Tebow did manage to get more rushing TDs than DMac then yes he is better and more valuable as a rusher than DMac.
To get back to your assumption.
As I mentioned with WVU and with Bama the past weekend - yards don't translate into points. It is illogical to assume that an offense than can move the ball through the ground or air is successful if it can't get over the hump of scoring points at the end of it.
LSU scores points in short field positions - they are successful.
The LSU D prevents opposition from scoring points even after long drives - hence they are successful.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:11 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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I just realized you are from New York. Your post make perfect sense now.
Not from NY. But, because I'm so retarded, they paid me lots of money to come up here.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:12 pm to Choctaw
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you really are frickin' retarded
At least I can read.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:15 pm to ocelot4ark
I didn't read anything in this thread yet but Arkansas has a better offense. If you think differently you're dumb.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:16 pm to ocelot4ark
quote:For the record, I NEVER called you that.
Not from NY. But, because I'm so retarded, they paid me lots of money to come up here
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:18 pm to Choctaw
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I don't disagree. I'm impressed you at least gave our DL a LITTLE credit. They've underachieved immensely as a group.
The spread won't be 24.
Maybe so. Petrino's done an other-worldly job with such a shitty team, I guess. But I'll take Wilson, Knile Davis, Chris Gragg (TE), Kiero Small (FB), Alvin Bailey (G), Wright, Adams, and Hamilton any day. Defense gets a lot more lopsided, obviously.
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bottom line
our o-line >>>>>>>> your d-line
our d-line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your o-line
this is where the game is won and this is why arky doesn't stand a chance. Spread should be LSU -24
I don't disagree. I'm impressed you at least gave our DL a LITTLE credit. They've underachieved immensely as a group.
The spread won't be 24.
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ETA: LSU is also better than Arky at every position on the field besides QB. deal with it
Maybe so. Petrino's done an other-worldly job with such a shitty team, I guess. But I'll take Wilson, Knile Davis, Chris Gragg (TE), Kiero Small (FB), Alvin Bailey (G), Wright, Adams, and Hamilton any day. Defense gets a lot more lopsided, obviously.
This post was edited on 11/10/11 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:18 pm to oklahogjr
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I didn't read anything in this thread yet but Arkansas has a better offense.
Then read
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:19 pm to oklahogjr
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oklahogjr
so an unbalanced attack is better than a balanced attack? cool
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:19 pm to GoHoGsGo06
Same points vs comparable competition in 5 less mins/game is hardly a distinguishing variance that would in any way lable Arky as potent by comparison or quick strkie by comparison.
Bama was potent, unstoppable, Heisman candidates, blah blah blah until late in the evening on Nov 5.
Roasted Hog on Thanksgiving Friday.
Bama was potent, unstoppable, Heisman candidates, blah blah blah until late in the evening on Nov 5.
Roasted Hog on Thanksgiving Friday.
This post was edited on 11/10/11 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:20 pm to ocelot4ark
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Still waiting for a response to this.
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Yards is the only measure that is a strict measure of offensive success.
Look at it this way. Let's say, hypothetically, that LSU had the best defense ever known to man and scored 5 defensive touchdown every game. That would be 35 points a game and at the top of the SEC in scoring. And then let's say that the offense was equally bad, never scoring any points. LSU would avg 35 points a game. So you're saying that the offense would be one of the best in the league, right?
Points is a simplistic measure.
The point that LSU fans are trying to make is this is the amount of points we average PER GAME. It doesn't matter how we get them, we trend per game to get this many points.
Nobody is trying to argue that we are as great an offense as you. What we are saying is this isn't last years offensive team, and our offense, (with the help of our opportunistic defense occaisionally), score almost as many points as you do every game.
This Stat is a bad sign for your team this year when you factor in our better than typical LSU defense it is a very bad sign for your team. That's all we were trying to say. Everybody knows you have a great passing game. Too bad for you your team doesn't have more balence on both sides of the ball or you might have a better chance of success this year.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:20 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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For the record, I NEVER called you that.
Sorry, my mistake. So many of your brethren have made that claim in response to any post I make that requires more than 2+2 reasoning.
Ocelot: "Blah, blah, blah for a few paragraphs."
LSU fan: "You're retarded."
No counterpoint. Just, "You're retarded."
There are a couple that are at least willing to have a debate, which is what I thought the whole purpose of this board was. THAT'S interesting.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:22 pm to dkreller
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so an unbalanced attack is better than a balanced attack? cool
It works like this, you guys are good and will break a big play off sometimes. We do it consistently every game. We are fairly balanced in most games or at least desire it but because of the nature of a couple games we have needed to throw the ball a lot.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:22 pm to ocelot4ark
you're retarded
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:28 pm to CalTiger
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CalTiger
Thanks for a thoughtful response, first of all. Work distractions are fun.
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It is illogical to bring the Tebow and DMac comparison to what is essentially a team effort. Those two are individuals who formed part of the effort.
Points, however, are also a team effort. Special teams points, defensive points, etc. So while it's not necessarily the job of those units to score TD's, they still do so.
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As I mentioned with WVU and with Bama the past weekend - yards don't translate into points. It is illogical to assume that an offense than can move the ball through the ground or air is successful if it can't get over the hump of scoring points at the end of it.
I understand this. But I also think it's more difficult to drive the ball 80 yards than it is 50. So having a great defense/special teams enables the offense more leeway. In other words, to cover 80 yards you have to be pretty perfect just to get within field goal range...to be able to sustain the drive. That's why people are so impressed by long scoring drives that cover a lot of distance. It takes incredible execution.
You get the ball at the 50. Throw a 20 yard pass on 1st down. Then get stuffed on the next 3 plays. You're still in FG range.
On the other hand, get the ball at the 20. Throw a 20 yard pass. Throw another 20 yard pass. Now get another 10 yards somewhere. See what I mean? It takes a higher degree of proficiency to sustain drives over long distances. The margin for error comes into play.
I've never said points aren't important, obviously. I just see it as a better measure for a holistic view of all aspects than solely offense.
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LSU scores points in short field positions - they are successful. The LSU D prevents opposition from scoring points even after long drives - hence they are successful.
Yep. And, as bad as Arkansas' defense is, they are pretty stout in the red zone.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:31 pm to ocelot4ark
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Yep. And, as bad as Arkansas' defense is, they are pretty stout in the red zone.
If we play like we did against USC then we will be fine. Just a matter of turning people loose on the QB instead of hesitantly holding up runnings lanes.
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