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re: Kirby: Is it recruiting or does he suck?

Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:22 pm to
Posted by icheerforgeorgia
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:22 pm to
It's more about saban than Kirby dude
Posted by PaulsBunions
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:23 pm to
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land blasted


Posted by ScoggDog
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:24 pm to
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The dawgs sent pressure and got torn to pieces. Question of the day: Name the last SEC East QB to beat the Crimson Tide?


They sent pressure that never got home - and according to my watching of the tape - quite a lot of four and five man rushes where three tackles were content to stand up a lineman, with one or two linebackers stutter-stepping to find a gap rather than push.

All the while - Bryce is sitting back there with four second pockets. That's too long. A college receiver can run over thirty yards, from a standing start, in four seconds.

If you can't pressure the QB - I don't care if you drop all eleven. You won't cover anything for long. You are simply not allowed. You can't bump them. You can't knock the shite out of them when they touch the ball. Depending on the crew - you can't even stand in their face, without contact, while they attempt to reach past you for a back shoulder throw.

Sending less pressure was not the right answer for Georgia. When they had three tackles that didn't want to engage multiple offensive linemen, and linebackers that were looking for gaps instead of doing the same ? That was the end of the ball game.
Posted by BFANLC
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:27 pm to
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5 bucks says O filled his trophy with beer and drank out of it.
Posted by countrytiger60
Larose
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:31 pm to
he lost twice to Coach O.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:40 pm to
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They sent pressure that never got home - and according to my watching of the tape - quite a lot of four and five man rushes where three tackles were content to stand up a lineman, with one or two linebackers stutter-stepping to find a gap rather than push.


I don't know how to break it to you but scoring points by the bushel is what we do. We turned Bryce loose in the spread RPO look and that also caused the defensive fire drill with the dawgs all night long. The defense was rushed, pushed, and flustered. They were outrun and out-executed by the best QB in college football. Do you think that Kirby will somehow see a different BAMA in a few weeks?

Georgia's biggest problem was they couldn't keep up on the scoreboard. In the red zone BAMA, who, believe it or not, has an outstanding defense as well, didn't allow the dawg offense to execute TDs in the red zone.

What's Kirby gonna do about that little problem?

Posted by El Tigre Grande
Bayou Self
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:42 pm to
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land blasted

not sure that you got this one right sparky.
Posted by El Tigre Grande
Bayou Self
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:45 pm to
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Kriby won the SEC in 2017 year 2 and lost the NC's game
Played for the SEC again in 2018
Played for the SEC again in 2019 but lost
Played for the SEC again in 2021 but lost

There is this saying about a bridesmaid…
Posted by VAvolfan
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:48 pm to
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Not sure why you think UGA's offense can succeed where a loaded Ohio State offense could not. That will be a low-scoring affair, and comes down to which head coach screws it up. Tough call between two proven choke artists like Kirby and Harbaugh.


Well one of the two at least got their monkey of their back in the last few weeks
Posted by ScoggDog
SE Indiana
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:49 pm to
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Do you think that Kirby will somehow see a different BAMA in a few weeks?


If he doesn't light a fire under three defensive tackles, and two linebackers, to engage linemen ? Then no, it will be no different.

Honestly - and this will be hard for Kirby - but just bench Davis. If he doesn't want to play, put somebody in that does. He didn't want to play on Saturday.

Defense begins with pressure and penetration. Georgia's front three didn't seem interested in either. And, here's the thing all year, they CAN'T generate pressure. But they can generate penetration and occupy multiple linemen. Saturday - you saw linebackers looking for gaps that were not there, because Georgia's front three all decided, in the same game, that they just didn't want to deal with that level of contact. I think the other two looked at Davis and followed his lead.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:02 pm to
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Honestly - and this will be hard for Kirby - but just bench Davis. If he doesn't want to play, put somebody in that does. He didn't want to play on Saturday.



Do you know how hard it is to play these giants in today's football? These hyper-spread teams are taking your wind and as Vince Lombardi famously said, fatigue makes cowards of us all. It also makes you mentally careless, it destroys will.

Coach Saban has deferred to the advantage that offenses have. He has simply said that "offenses now win championships."

Kirby can thank his lucky stars it snowed in Ann Arbor. Or else OSU would be rudely reminding Kirby once again of the same lesson in the semis. Offense wins championships.
Posted by koreandawg
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:06 pm to
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land blasted


Posted by ScoggDog
SE Indiana
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:08 pm to
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Do you know how hard it is to play these giants in today's football? These hyper-spread teams are taking your wind and as Vince Lombardi famously said, fatigue makes cowards of us all. It also makes you mentally careless, it destroys will.


Kentucky had one a couple years ago - a kid that Saban tried to flip at the last second. The kid was a disaster. Could not stay on the field, and was pretty awful when he was there.

FWIW - I don't think it's a "spread" thing. Again, Alabama played three wide most of the night. Nothing exotic about that. But if you got a ball player on the defensive line that can only play half the snaps ? I don't care how damn big he is - he's a liability.

And Davis is getting more lazy as the year goes on. Kentucky had a couple ten plays possessions against Georgia. Davis never came out. Now ? He just can't play.

Bench him. It's as much "want to" as anything with him. He's ready to go pro. I wouldn't draft him.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:16 pm to
Kirby on the Georgia secondary to start the season:

“ Very rarely have we had a lack of experience that we currently have,” Smart said at his Monday press conference ahead of the Clemson game. “One way to grow up is to go play. They’ve had some good competition, and they’ve gotten to go against our wideouts in the spring”

Kirby knew where they were in trouble. Few teams can deal with an attack like Bama’s, but especially when they haven’t seen anything like it
Posted by ScoggDog
SE Indiana
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:21 pm to
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Kirby knew where they were in trouble. Few teams can deal with an attack like Bama’s, but especially when they haven’t seen anything like it


It's counter-intuitive. Against great receivers, which Alabama certainly has, most college coaches want to drop more in coverage.

Drop all eleven - it doesn't matter. You can't bump them off their route, you can't jar their asses hard enough to make them quit wanting to make catches, you can't even get in their way as they slow down or change direction to run over you on their way to the ball.

Against great receivers, you need more pressure to allow less time. The worse your defensive backfield is - the more pressure you need. Not less.

Defensive backs are there to make tackles after long passes, and hopefully not get painful PI flags ... and nothing more. Also, quit looking guilty whenever the receiver drops a ball. My God - how many times do you see a bang-bang play ... and the DB looks at the ref, who then throws a flag.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
17742 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:23 pm to
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more pressure you need. Not less.


This is his only hope in a rematch
Posted by ScoggDog
SE Indiana
Member since Aug 2020
3623 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:32 pm to
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This is his only hope in a rematch


I will say this, and then let it go. I was very vocal - I thought Georgia would handle Alabama by at least two scores. I was wrong.

I also said - the biggest threat to Georgia was Kirby Smart. Because he wants to cover all the field. He does not like the idea of risk on defense. He likes the notion of throwing out a "perfect defense" that somehow covers every possibility.

That defense does not exist. And the more you drop into coverage - the more you hurt your chances of a winning defensive play. You can't zone anymore ... you can't light up that receiver as he catches the ball. You sure as shite can't meet him at the ball from an angle other than what he runs. It's simply not allowed.

These offenses are not "high powered". They're "high risk". You can't match a high risk offense with "bend but don't break" defense, unless you have a HUGE talent advantage.

Most defenses, including Georgia in that game, play not to get burned. They don't scheme and attack to create three successful plays in order to get off the field. They just don't.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:33 pm to
The upperclassmen leaders pealed the paint in Heritage Hall on return from Atlanta.

We are highly motivated at all levels.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:37 pm to
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2019


We should start a new drinking game. Anytime an LSU fan mentions 2019 take a shot.
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:48 pm to
This is exactly what we did and it was very frustrating. All of our blitzes were poorly timed and straight into the A and B gap. Bamas offensive line was being heavily criticized and Saban took advantage. Probably the easiest prep for facing UGA as he has ever had because he knows Kirby’s stubbornness and that he was going to do exactly what he did. If Kirby is anything, he is predictable. Saban only needed to light a fire under his OLines arse during practice, prepare the RBs to pick up any pressure getting through. Easiest prep he has had this year more than likely. Several teams showed Kirby the blueprint to disrupt with constant edge pressure but Saban assumed, correctly, that Kirby would not change his approach until it was to late.

The reason that Saban owns his apprentice it because he is about 25 IQ points smarter. He knows Kirby’s stubborn tendencies and takes advantage of them.

This game, more than any that has taken place between Saban and Smart, was decided by the matter between the ears of both men.
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