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re: Kirby became fastest coach in SEC history to win 100 games

Posted on 10/24/24 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 3:23 pm to
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With who? You didn’t establish this with the time periods I narrowed it down to.


Whatever dude. You can sit around with your fingers in your ear like it's Dumb and Dumber if you want. But here's the truth:

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10 seasons prior to hire.

Saban:
LSU: 55-58-1 (48.2%)
Alabama: 67-55 (54.9%)

Kirby:
Georgia: 94-40 (70%)



And then you wanted a cherry picked 2 year window to make sure you include the 10 year season for Alabama and it was no better. In fact, Georgia was even MORE successful.

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Kirby:
Georgia: 20-6 (76.9%)

Saban:
LSU: 7-15 (31.8%)
Alabama: 16-9 (64%)


Why not just the previous 1 year? Because:
Alabama: 6-7 (46.1%)
Georgia: 10-3(76.9%)

I went 10 years to give a good idea of the programs longer term. In the end, the fact Georgia fans shite on Richt to suck off Kirby is just disgusting.

Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89980 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 3:34 pm to
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Kirby took over a much better than than Saban.


I have no clue how to obejctively say which was which, and it's impossible to definitively say one way or the other. So I won't even try. What I will do is say it's laughable that our rivals try to pretend that our 2016 squad kirby inherited was some kind of elite squad. Without fail theri go-to is "they won 10 games in 2015!!" but that's just lazy as shite.

-let's dive into that 10 win team shall we? They played 2 temas in the regular season that were ranked and went 0-2 being outscored by 52 points. they scored 1 total TD in those games.
-the losses are bad and already well known. How bout the wins? We won 9-6 over missouri in a gme without a TD being scored. We scored 1 offensive TD in a 20-13 win over a bad AU team. We went to overtime agianst ga sotuhern for crying out loud. Scored 1 TD in a 13-7 win over tech. This was a bad football team that just so happened to have a defense scrape by just enough to miraculously make it to 10 total wins

Ok so 2015 sucked but I mean richt was a good recrduiter right? So surely kirby had a lights out roster to work with?

-Our starting LT in kirby's first year was a guy from frickin rhode island.
-We were forced to play a guy at guard due to depth issues that was more fit to be a tackle, which is where he'd spend his whole NFL career
-Our QB options were greyson friggin lambert or a true freshman
-We had nick chubb who just 10 months prior had his leg bend at the knee all the way in the direction its not supposed to
-Entering the season our best WR prosepcts were a JUCO transfer, a guy only known for being calvin ridley's brother, terry godwin, and a bunch of young guys
-the defense featured a whole lot of guys that would eventaully go on to be decent but hadn't really proven shite yet at the conclusion of 2015. It also featured a multitude of shitasses that pruitt loved to recruit which would require a full culture-detransition. Fun fact: the real reason we lost to UT on the 2016 hail mary is because a dumbass from memphis that was one of pruitt's boys ran on the field without his helmet after the eason TD bomb which caused us to kick off 15 yards further back. If not for that penalty UT doesn't get in position for a hail mary.

Anyways I'm rambling here, but the point is that it's a comically incorrect take to think that Kirby inherited some kind of rolls royce of a roster simply by looking up a google search of our 2015 final record.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41343 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 3:34 pm to
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And then you wanted a cherry picked 2 year window to make sure you include the 10 year season for Alabama and it was no bett


Going back 10 years is absurd. What happened in 2006 or 2012 is totally irrelevant for smart.

2 is far more reasonable as These involve the upperclassmen the coach inherits.

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Why not just the previous 1 year? Because: Alabama: 6-7 (46.1%) Georgia: 10-3(76.9%)


It would take very little for this to turn into 8-5 for both. VERY little. That’s how close those teams were.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5517 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:21 pm to
I see Saban as more of a revolutionary coach, like a football version of Newton or Einstein or Darwin or (Edmund) Hillary or Columbus or Lewis and Clark. Someone who grabbed the machete and cut the trail that made it easier for others to make progress.

Saban’s long road to greatness helped make Kirby’s short.
Posted by koreandawg
South Korea
Member since Sep 2015
13398 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:46 pm to
Saban didn't hit it at 118 games. He hit that at 118 Bama games. He had way more SEC losses when he hit 100 when you include LSU.

Some people act like Bama was his first job.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41343 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:08 pm to
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Saban’s long road to greatness helped make Kirby’s short.


What Saban did before 2007 helped both him at bama and Kirby at uga.
Posted by PatrickSr
Wetumpka, Alabama
Member since Nov 2023
8 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:12 pm to
Let me add that Saban had Kirby to help him reach 100.
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
12158 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:14 pm to
Georgia loves Richt. But we knew we could do better than a 10 win average for 15 years and a bowl every year. And we did. Kirby was a good hire to say the least.
Richt loves UGA too. He now lives in Athens and has appeared on the field where he was honored by the UGA crowd. He is a great coach and an even better human being. He has held charity events with UGA.
In fact all living UGA football coaches live in Athens and Vince Dooley is buried near the stadium where he coached and served as AD for 40 years
Posted by Trumansfangs
Mo
Member since Sep 2018
8602 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:16 pm to
100 SEC wins ?
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
12158 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:17 pm to
100 wins total. He has only been at UGA since 2016
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
74558 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:38 pm to
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Let me add that Saban had Kirby to help him reach 100.






Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
3316 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:05 pm to
Didn’t he lose to Vandy his first year?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
74558 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:13 pm to
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Didn’t he lose to Vandy his first year?


Yes, it was his first year as head coach, ever, anywhere, stepping into a pretty big position.

Deboer has been HC at several programs, sure it's his first year at Bama, but not his first time being a head coach. An experienced head coach with a tradition of winning at all his previous schools taking over a stacked Bama team and losing to Vandy is different than Kirby losing to Vandy in 2016. Both embarrassing, but they are not the same.

Posted by FireDanMullen
Member since Dec 2020
4515 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:57 pm to
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Anyways I'm rambling here, but the point is that it's a comically incorrect take to think that Kirby inherited some kind of rolls royce of a roster simply by looking up a google search of our 2015 final record.


I agree with this. The notion Kirby inherited a team with NFL talent is incorrect. Especially on the lines, which is how you win championships in this conference. Georgia was arguably in the bottom half of talent in the trenches in the conference at the time Kirby took over.

I do think Saban walked into a tougher situation. Kirby at least inherited a team that was winning games regularly - I think people underestimate how hard it is to change cultures from teams that have been use to losing. Even talent aside. Losers get use to losing. and Kirby had objectively more talented team than Bama’s 07 team. I don’t think that downplays Kirby’s coaching ability. I honestly think the whole discussion is kind of pointless but just my two cents
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41343 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:57 pm to
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Didn’t he lose to Vandy his first year?


Yes, that counts in this stat.
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
12158 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 7:01 pm to
Georgia was averaging 10 wins a year when Smart was hired. He lost a few games he should not have lost in year one but UGA played for a natty in year two. And has done great ever since. I think we will keep him.
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
12158 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 7:06 pm to
Saban lost to UGA his first year. And it was in Tuscaloosa.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41343 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 8:27 pm to
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The notion Kirby inherited a team with NFL talent is incorrect. Especially on the lines


Great point. He also inherited a terrible senior class.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5517 posts
Posted on 10/25/24 at 3:12 am to
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What Saban did before 2007 helped both him at bama and Kirby at uga.

Obviously.

I have much respect for Kirby, but I see Saban as more of a coaching pioneer when it comes to program building and management. Saban created the blueprint and Kirby was able to replicate it and have success with it by being exposed to it at a young age, building a name for himself as DC under Saban, and going straight to a premier job like UGA at 40ish because of it.

Posted by junkyarddawg3
Metro ATL
Member since Nov 2015
1101 posts
Posted on 10/25/24 at 5:44 am to
That's awesome. Love the Quint avatar.
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