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re: Jeff Schultz: Deep South's Oldest Rivalry at risk
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:50 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:50 pm to Damn Good Dawg
I can get behind this shite.
I'll rally the South Carolina contingent here in Columbia. DGD, we'll swing by Athens and pick y'all up on our way to the Dome.
I'll rally the South Carolina contingent here in Columbia. DGD, we'll swing by Athens and pick y'all up on our way to the Dome.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 4:52 pm
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Posted on 2/9/12 at 6:09 pm to crispyUGA
Posted on 2/9/12 at 8:31 pm to crispyUGA
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I'll rally the South Carolina contingent here in Columbia. DGD, we'll swing by Athens and pick y'all up on our way to the Dome.
I can be there in 2 hours.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 8:34 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Posted...at 6:09 p.m
51-7
Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:09 pm to Damn Good Dawg
DGD,
Seems the thread has moved on but I was catching up on it since I find everyone's take on rivalries to be fascinating. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that I think you have a very flawed understanding of TSIO and UGA/AU. You said no one outside of Bama and Tenn care about TSIO, and implied the nation was glued to their sets for UGA/AU. I would actually argue that neither of those rivalries have much meaning to anyone outside of the fanbases. Which is fine by mean, I don't care about the outsiders. The only one we are discussing that resonates to teh general public is probably the Iron Bowl. With that being said, it is a fact that TSIO has had bigger implications across the years. See my below response from earlier to Aunite which was ignored. UGA/Au is a great rivalry because of its age, but I don't see how anyone can logically argue it is better than TSIO based on parity.
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You totally took both my points out of context but I'll just address your first point. When I was defending the series to the AU fan who was degrading it, I didn't just make an unqualified statement such as 'Bama/UT is the cream of the crop because I like it more.' I said it was better than UGA/AU in terms of having hosted more games with bigger implications on the line. Ie, much more than with UGA/AU, The TSIO game featured one or two teams that was the South's (and often times country's) team to beat that particular year.
I think that's kind of a fact and we could go back and review the classics in both series, but I think the easiest way to prove my point is to look at SEC Championships as the indicator of which was the team to beat in a particular year. Bama/UT have combined for 35 SEC titles. UGA/AU have 19. Thus that is a nearly 2:1 ratio in favor of TSIO showcasing the South's premier program for that year. Pretty lopsided.
It hasn't been very competitive for half a decade, but that's just how this series goes. The streakiness is uncanny. To summarize, not slamming UGA/AU as I look forward to that game each year, but the above are simply facts. They are both great series that need to continue.
Seems the thread has moved on but I was catching up on it since I find everyone's take on rivalries to be fascinating. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that I think you have a very flawed understanding of TSIO and UGA/AU. You said no one outside of Bama and Tenn care about TSIO, and implied the nation was glued to their sets for UGA/AU. I would actually argue that neither of those rivalries have much meaning to anyone outside of the fanbases. Which is fine by mean, I don't care about the outsiders. The only one we are discussing that resonates to teh general public is probably the Iron Bowl. With that being said, it is a fact that TSIO has had bigger implications across the years. See my below response from earlier to Aunite which was ignored. UGA/Au is a great rivalry because of its age, but I don't see how anyone can logically argue it is better than TSIO based on parity.
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You totally took both my points out of context but I'll just address your first point. When I was defending the series to the AU fan who was degrading it, I didn't just make an unqualified statement such as 'Bama/UT is the cream of the crop because I like it more.' I said it was better than UGA/AU in terms of having hosted more games with bigger implications on the line. Ie, much more than with UGA/AU, The TSIO game featured one or two teams that was the South's (and often times country's) team to beat that particular year.
I think that's kind of a fact and we could go back and review the classics in both series, but I think the easiest way to prove my point is to look at SEC Championships as the indicator of which was the team to beat in a particular year. Bama/UT have combined for 35 SEC titles. UGA/AU have 19. Thus that is a nearly 2:1 ratio in favor of TSIO showcasing the South's premier program for that year. Pretty lopsided.
It hasn't been very competitive for half a decade, but that's just how this series goes. The streakiness is uncanny. To summarize, not slamming UGA/AU as I look forward to that game each year, but the above are simply facts. They are both great series that need to continue.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:10 pm to thatthang
tl;dr
Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:15 pm to thatthang
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thatthang
can i get the spark notes?
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WG
i don't get why you posted that but i fully support it
#crowhatenerds
Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:20 pm to Swoopin
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tl;dr
Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:41 pm to Swoopin
Auburn to the SEC East! 
Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:49 pm to Damn Good Dawg
DGD
Absolutely. While both rivalries in question are spectacular, TSIO is superior to UGA/AU in every quantifiable measurement except the immaterial duration differential.
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can i get the spark notes?
Absolutely. While both rivalries in question are spectacular, TSIO is superior to UGA/AU in every quantifiable measurement except the immaterial duration differential.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:52 pm to thatthang
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While both rivalries in question are spectacular, TSIO is superior to UGA/AU in every quantifiable measurement except the immaterial duration differential.
That's cute.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 10:14 pm to thatthang
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Absolutely. While both rivalries in question are spectacular, TSIO is superior to UGA/AU in every quantifiable measurement except the immaterial duration differential.
except that it's not
Posted on 2/9/12 at 10:48 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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except that it's not
Seriously- is a single one of you capable of forming an argument on this or are we just going to go with passive aggresive comments and denial?
* 35 combined SEC titles vs 19
* 11 vs 3 combined National Champs (I'm counting only the indisputable AP and/or Coaches polls NC's so we don't have to open that can of worms)
* 1,608 vs 1,466 wins
* 204K vs 180K seats
* Bryant & Neyland vs Dye & Dooley
Like I said TSIO is an infinitely bigger game historically than UGA/AU by any quantifiable measure that I can think of except duration. Facts are facts. Heading out to get drunk now so y'all have a good night.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 2/9/12 at 10:58 pm to thatthang
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* 11 vs 3 combined National Champs (I'm counting only the indisputable AP and/or Coaches polls NC's so we don't have to open that can of worms)
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204K vs 180K seats
What does this have to do with anything?
Plus, half of that stuff is unbelievably irrelevant now. Let's talk since 1980:
TSO vs SOR
3 - 2 NCs
3 - 4 Perfect Seasons
9 - 11 SECC
1 - 3 Heismans
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 2/9/12 at 11:36 pm to TheSandman
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Plus, half of that stuff is unbelievably irrelevant now. Let's talk since 1980:
I’m not one to focus on the past but the whole point of this discussion is looking at the entire history of the rivalry. That is really all that makes these games unique- a century of hate. UGA/AU is inherently defined by the fact that it has been played since 1892. That is really it’s only major distinction from many others.
All I will add is that I am constantly amazed by AU fan's reliance on arbitrary time periods to try to support their arguments. Don’t try to tell me how things are today with talk like this: “well since 1980” or “7 of the last 10 IB’s” or whatever it is now. Talk about today, everything, or nothing. Setting a range at an arbitrary date 32 years ago in which you have conveniently excluded Bama’s late 70’s run but included UGA’s ’80 title produces such an unbelievably dishonest data set it doesn’t really merit a response. I will simply correct you that it is 4 NC’s for TSIO vs 2 for UGA/AU in your biased range.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 2/9/12 at 11:40 pm to thatthang
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* Bryant & Neyland vs Dye & Dooley
This says it all right there.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 11:46 pm to ohiovol
Here's the easy solution. Go back to 12 teams by kicking Arkansas and Missouri out and keep all the rivalries intact.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 11:55 pm to ohiovol
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This says it all right there.
Haha. For real, this is the only time I can think of when a Vol fan has chimed in to support my side in a matter pertaining to college football!
Anyway no one is going to accept defeat in this argument but I had to speak my mind when I saw the one sided praising of UGA/AU at the expense of TSIO. They are both great rivalries that I feel should be perserved at all costs, and it is a damn shame they are in danger due to these two schools that no one really seems to want.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 12:02 am to thatthang
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All I will add is that I am constantly amazed by AU fan's reliance on arbitrary time periods to try to support their arguments. Don’t try to tell me how things are today with talk like this: “well since 1980” or “7 of the last 10 IB’s” or whatever it is now. Talk about today, everything, or nothing. Setting a range at an arbitrary date 32 years ago in which you have conveniently excluded Bama’s late 70’s run but included UGA’s ’80 title produces such an unbelievably dishonest data set it doesn’t really merit a response. I will simply correct you that it is 4 NC’s for TSIO vs 2 for UGA/AU in your biased range.
I'm going to use arbitrary time periods to support my facts just like you are. Using games that happened back in the 30's, 40's, 50's, ect. is just as - if not more - silly as me picking a date, such as 1980, that would better support my argument. Go ask LSU and Ole Miss how relevant their rivalry from the 50's and 60's is today.
And don't get me started on "meriting a response". You just used total stadium seating to try and support why TSO is better than SOR.
The fact of the matter is, we're both potentially going to lose loved, historied, rivalry games because Texas didn't want to play fair. Naturally, I'm going to want my hated rival to lose theirs if it means us keeping ours, and I would expect y'all to feel the same way.
That doesn't change the fact that the AU/UGA series has always been more competitive, and since Bear left Alabama, has meant more to the SEC landscape. :dwi:
This post was edited on 2/10/12 at 12:03 am
Posted on 2/10/12 at 12:28 am to TheSandman
Well said but ALL the games are part of the discussion because we’re talking about a game called “The Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry.” It’s longevity is what makes this series notable, not just what’s happened the last decade or two. Same thing with TSIO. I would usually agree with you that 50+ year history is irrelevant in today’s college football landscape, but not in discussions of our cherished rivalries with these rich histories.
No doubt SOR is more competitive right now. The streakiness of TSIO is part of the fun. If I want competitive football I could tune into Vandy/KY. Before you blow a gasket I’m not comparing Vandy/KY to SOR, just pointing out that I don’t see the cyclical nature of TSIO as a negative.
But yes, we are all getting screwed in expansion. Good night.
No doubt SOR is more competitive right now. The streakiness of TSIO is part of the fun. If I want competitive football I could tune into Vandy/KY. Before you blow a gasket I’m not comparing Vandy/KY to SOR, just pointing out that I don’t see the cyclical nature of TSIO as a negative.
But yes, we are all getting screwed in expansion. Good night.
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