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re: Jalen Hurts' average completion through the air is 3.1 yards through the first three games

Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:03 am to
Posted by Dore5674
Nashville
Member since May 2012
1105 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:03 am to
Going against the no.1 pass D in the nation today....
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
2343 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:09 am to
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It's legit difficult to say bench was wrong then... or now.


Not at all. Who knows what McCarron would've looked like as a true freshman. We also had some pretty significant deficiencies in '10 that a change at QB wouldn't make up for. It's hard to point at a guy throwing for 300+ yards on good efficiency and blame him solely for the loss.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:14 am to
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And the guy who would've started if we benched McElroy won 2. It's legit difficult to say bench was wrong then... or now.


There is no one arguing that McElroy in his prime was better than McCarron in his prime. You ask any Alabama fan who the better QB was and almost to a man they will tell you McCarron was. But that doesn't change the fact that while McElroy was the starter he threw for nearly 5,500 yards, completed 66% of his passes, threw 37 TD passes, and only 9 interceptions.
Posted by ksrph
Alabaster, AL
Member since Jan 2010
1168 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:15 am to
He may, but, how has he taken a step back compared to last year? His downfield passing is already better. May not be great but it's better.

I love how he wins, yet all the Bama haters and even some Bama fans, want to act like he's horrible. As someone posted above, every other SEC team would take him in a heart beat.

I don't care if he completes another pass all year if he keeps winning.
Posted by doverstutts
Member since Jul 2017
1070 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:17 am to
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Bama is never going to win a national championship with Hurts at QB if he continues to play this way.

don't berate this guy too much....he is a work in progress and has some very good characteristics that every coach wants their QB to have. Its true, he is not a down the field passer just yet, but if he ever does refine his passing game then he is going to look like CAM NEWTON part 2....updykes can win with this kid because of how he handles the pressure and how he can win a game with his legs
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:20 am to
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I have no idea why bama doesn't go with a pro style qb. Their team is made for that


pro style qb's essentially barely exist at the HS level any more.

Hurts is one of the most impressive running qb's i have ever seen and doesn't get phased. Hopefully he can improve his mid=range throwing and then he would be nearly unstoppable.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 8:21 am
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:33 am to
I hate to say it but for the most part I agree with you. Other than the occasional deep ball to Ridley, defenses have no reason to respect our pass game and have just about shut down our HB's. Our only effective offense right now is Hurts running the ball. And it is not because Hurts is so amazing or that everyone else sucks. It's Hurts' limitations as a passer that has caused this. And your starting QB being your primary rusher with a true freshman as a backup is not usually a path to a national title.
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:42 am to
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Blake Sims came close to winning a national title at Bama and he was a freaking RB playing under center.



I would take Blake Sims back in a heart beat. Auburn beats us in 2014 without his ability to open up the offense and throw the deep ball. This is what the OP is talking about. Can Hurts win a ton of games at Alabama? Yes, that is proven. Anyone can. But is he the type of QB who can win the tough game where we can't run the ball and the defense is having a bad night. Probably not.
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
7436 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:49 am to
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It sounds racist but it's actually very common for black QBs for whatever reason. I think it has to do with expectations.


Well, it IS racist. The trend is true for most dual-threat QB. Young dual threats often start relying on their legs too much.
It's more pronounced on lesser teams because they end up under pressure and go to their legs quicker. It takes time, experience, and good coaching (all things Hurts SHOULD be getting) to overcome those tendencies.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:49 am to
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I would take Blake Sims back in a heart beat. Auburn beats us in 2014 without his ability to open up the offense and throw the deep ball. This is what the OP is talking about.


And that's the difference between the OP, you, and people like me. Blake Sims could open up the offense. Sure. But of the two, which QB got us to the National Championship Game? Like Hurts who came after him, Sims was bottled up by defenses with a pulse. If Amari Cooper wasn't open Sims generally didn't know what to do with the football.

I don't care what the stat sheet looks like at the end of the game. If we have more points than the other team, despite my bitching during the game, I'm generally happy at the game's conclusion.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 8:51 am
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12511 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:53 am to
You guys would win just as much with most of the starting QBs in the conference . Just like last year and when Sims was the QB . You will run into a team with similar talent and they will beat you because your QB can't pass the ball. We seen it in the playoffs last year.
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:57 am to
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And that's the difference between the OP, you, and people like me. Blake Sims could open up the offense. Sure. But of the two, which QB got us to the National Championship Game? Like Hurts who came after him, Sims was bottled up by defenses with a pulse. If Amari Cooper wasn't open Sims generally didn't know what to do with the football.



If Sims had played Washington in the first round instead of OSU, he goes to the national title as well. And, IMO, Sims beats Clemson because our D would not have had to defend 99 plays and be completely gassed by the end of the game. Our D was destroying Clemson until they got tired. The D got two turnovers, which Hurts turned into a whopping 3 points. Hurts being a horrible passer lost us the national title game. Plain and simple.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8136 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:00 am to
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Bench McElroy

Bama could have a combination of Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady behind center and you'd find some area to criticize them. Hurts is a much more versatile playmaker than your namesake Greg McElroy ever was and I think, but am not sure, that he went 24-3 as a starter and led Bama to an undefeated season and national championship.
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
2343 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:03 am to
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have just about shut down our HB's


No one besides Steve Sarkisian has come close to shutting down our HBs. This is absurd.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 9:05 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:05 am to
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If Sims had played Washington in the first round instead of OSU, he goes to the national title as well.


But he didn't so your point is moot.

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Hurts being a horrible passer lost us the national title game. Plain and simple.


Hurts gave us the lead with just over two minutes to go in the game. You can't blame him for coming through in the clutch.
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:06 am to
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You guys would win just as much with most of the starting QBs in the conference . Just like last year and when Sims was the QB . You will run into a team with similar talent and they will beat you because your QB can't pass the ball. We seen it in the playoffs last year.




Exactly. When every single player on your team was a member of the #1 recruiting class, you can no longer judge a QB simply on how many games he wins. You judge him based on whether he is contributing to the team, rather than holding it back. On whether he can be the difference maker in a close game where things go wrong. Can he win the biggest game against the toughest teams? And Hurts is not that guy. He has made the offense predictable and is holding back everyone else. He has NFL receivers who can't get the ball. 5 star HB's who can't find running lanes because the D does not respect him.

But now he is our QB and is our only practical option since Saban let Kiffin convince him to start a true freshman, which caused every single QB on our team to transfer.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:10 am to
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But now he is our QB and is our only practical option since Saban let Kiffin convince him to start a true freshman, which caused every single QB on our team to transfer.



Let me ask you a question. How many of the QBs who transferred from our team are starting for other teams right now? Through three games, neither Barnett or Cornwell have seen any meaningful playing time.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 9:11 am
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:13 am to
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Hurts gave us the lead with just over two minutes to go in the game. You can't blame him for coming through in the clutch.



That would be like if I sucked at my job most days, was generally unreliable, held back other employees, and then at the very end, just before my performance evaluation, I finally did something right. Does that make me a good employee?

Bama does not need that 4th quarter run if Hurts had been even an average QB in that game. And a D with no legs is not having to defend it's 90th-99th play on the last drive if Hurts had been able to sustain drives for the other 58 minutes of the game. Look at everything that went wrong with that game and anyone who can take off the crimson goggles can see exactly what the problem was.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8136 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:17 am to
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But now he is our QB and is our only practical option since Saban let Kiffin convince him to start a true freshman, which caused every single QB on our team to transfer.

All those QB's who transferred are now riding the pine at schools not remotely on Bama's level.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:18 am to
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That would be like if I sucked at my job most days, was generally unreliable, held back other employees, and then at the very end, just before my performance evaluation, I finally did something right. Does that make me a good employee?


You'd have a point if Jalen Hurts had sucked for most of the year. The fact of the matter is, he was the SEC Offensive Player of the Year in 2016.....as a TRUE FRESHMAN. He threw for for over 2,700 yards and rushed for almost 1,000 more. He was responsible for 36 total TDs - a single season record at Alabama.

Yeah...he struggled in the final three games of the year. But I wonder how much of that was due to his offensive coordinators. One was actively searching for a job while the other's heart wasn't entirely into it.
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