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re: Jake Locker or Cam Newton?
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:10 pm to adammwilson
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:10 pm to adammwilson
Not sure why you're trying to convince yourself that Locker is a better QB than the Heisman Trophy winner.
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:12 pm to adammwilson
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in a pro style offense which do you think would be better?
Newton by a mile. He is a much better passer. Locker is nothing without his running ability.
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agreed he did in every game but Clemson. However, Auburn is a better team and if Darvin wasn't playing well Cam could win the game by himself or use his TE, or #2 WR or even his #3 WR.
Overall Auburn has some more offensive talent than Washington but a good reason why it looked that way was because Cam Newton is THAT much better than Locker. There is no questioning Newton blew away Locker this year. Do you really think Locker would of had any close to a similar year playing with Auburn as Newton did? Not a chance.
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Auburn plays better competition. No telling what those players would do vs. weaker competition.
So wait a second, wouldnt this also work against you in the Cam vs. Jake debate? Cam not only played leaps and bounds better this year but played MUCH tougher competition overall.
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whose?
Which recently updated list is he still Top 10/15 in (that's reputable)? He's #23 now on ESPN Scout INC after starting the year #1.
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every draft website.
I frequent a few and havent really heard a thing about him since beginning of year. He's fallen way off.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:12 pm to Dandy Lion
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Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:13 pm to Dandy Lion
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Adam, someone who-s never seen him play
I've seen Locker play multitudes of times. He's not very good.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:13 pm to Woopigsooie20
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Heisman Trophy winner.
does he play in a pro style offense? Will he have to make reads in the nfl and call audibles (things he doesn't do now? Will he have to throw in tight windows?
I'm not saying Cam isn't the better qb just saying It's close.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:14 pm to Bench McElroy
Locker is an athlete trying to play QB. In 5 years, he is just as raw as he was out of HS. His yards per completion is very pedestrian, but then again, pedestrian comes up a lot when talking about Locker's QB play...
This post was edited on 12/25/10 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:17 pm to adammwilson
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I'm not saying Cam isn't the better qb just saying It's close.
It's really not close. Newton blew Locker away this year. IT's pretty telling when as a QB you never have a completion % above 60%...career 54%.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:18 pm to thunderbird1100
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Cam not only played leaps and bounds better this year but played MUCH tougher competition overall.
it would except look at the O he plays in.
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Which recently updated list is he still Top 10/15 in (that's reputable)?
LINK
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He's #23 now on ESPN Scout INC after starting the year #1.
doesn't mean he will get taken that late just means OVERALL he is the #23 player.
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He's fallen way off.
still BY FAR the #1 SR. QB.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:22 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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His yards per completion is very pedestrian,
they do run alot of screens.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:22 pm to thunderbird1100
stats aren't everything.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:25 pm to thunderbird1100
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thunderbird1100
I hear ya, FWIW, Locker does not measure up to his hype IMHO, but we're not talking about apples and oranges, rather, lemons and kumquats.
jury is definitely out, definitely.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:25 pm to adammwilson
quote:Kinda loses meaning when 5 draft eligible Juniors are consider by many to be better...
still BY FAR the #1 SR. QB.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:27 pm to adammwilson
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it would except look at the O he plays in.
Once again Locker has some legit talent around him too, Auburn doesnt have MUCH better talent. Overall, yes, but that's not what made Newton look WAY better this year. HE's just that much better than Locker.
And you never responded to do you think Locker would of been nearly as good as Cam in Auburn's offense this year. I guess it's because the answer is clearly hell no.
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LINK
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So in the first link one guy has him Top 10 while the other has him outside the 1st round. The second link that guy has been way off a lot of times (Also from the start of the month). Not a very good looking mock either overall.
At any rate, it's clear Locker has fallen way off on most people's minds in terms of NFL overall. If he didn't start the year thought of so highly he wouldn't be on anyone's 1st round or Top 32 player list.
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doesn't mean he will get taken that late just means OVERALL he is the #23 player.
I never said that's what that # meant. I know they rank them by overall.
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still BY FAR the #1 SR. QB.
That's not saying much considering off the top of my head I can't even think of a very good senior QB (NFL wise)...including Locker.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:29 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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5 draft eligible Juniors are consider by many to be better.
5? Name them?
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:31 pm to thunderbird1100
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, Auburn doesnt have MUCH better talent.
you serious?
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And you never responded to do you think Locker would of been nearly as good as Cam in Auburn's offense this year. I guess it's because the answer is clearly hell no.
no b.c. the OC adapted the offense perfectly around Cam.
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The second link that guy has been way off a lot of times
he is also one of the most respected draft guys out there.
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If he didn't start the year thought of so highly he wouldn't be on anyone's 1st round or Top 32 player list.
based on what?
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:33 pm to adammwilson
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they do run alot of screens.
Which makes his completion percentage that much more puzzling.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:34 pm to thunderbird1100
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Which makes his completion percentage that much more puzzling.
doesn't help that they drop the screens at times.
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:34 pm to adammwilson
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5? Name them?
Luck
Newton
Mallett
Foles
Gabbert
If Gabbert declares, he'll push Locker back. He has shown more in 2 years as a QB than Locker has in 4. Locker is like a HS QB, he is there because he's the best athlete on the team...
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:35 pm to adammwilson
Its pretty obvious you would have Locker's babies if it were physically possible. I havent seen him play more than 2 games all year, and cant even remember who they were against, and I dont remember him being anything spectacular. I do however remember hearing some random espn talking heads referring to him as one of the single biggest disapointments in college football this year. Take it for what its worth.
EDIT: aliens took over my brain and super-imposed completely different words from what I actually ment to type.
EDIT: aliens took over my brain and super-imposed completely different words from what I actually ment to type.
This post was edited on 12/25/10 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:35 pm to MagillaGuerilla
SO Magilla, did you get the speak and spell i sent you for Christmas?
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