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Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:23 pm to pioneerbasketball
Nutt took Arky to about as good as it will ever be in the SEC. Petrino will not take them any farther. If Nutt was at a major school he would have a championship caliber team.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:26 pm to Mr K
and john brady took lsu as far as they ever will be 
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:27 pm to pioneerbasketball
HDN's record at Ark in 10 years was 75-48.
Any combination of Ark coaches after him will not achieve that record in 10 years. The clock on year one has ticked.
Any combination of Ark coaches after him will not achieve that record in 10 years. The clock on year one has ticked.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:29 pm to SLC
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If Nutt had stayed at Arkansas, what would his record have been this year?
What talent did Nutt leave at Arkansas?
What was Nutt's SEC record at Arkansas?
What is Nutt's record against the football powerhouse known as Vanderbilt?
If Nutt does do more with less (not sure about that statement), whose fault is it that he does not have better recruits?
Would you really want Nutt as your coach? Be honest with this question.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:33 pm to Mr K
So you want him to coach your favorite college team?
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:34 pm to Zach
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HDN's record at Ark in 10 years was 75-48.
How many of those are against D1AA.
He was barely over 500 in the sec.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:46 pm to pioneerbasketball
Of course I would. His teams play hard, with a physical style and he gets the most out of them.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:50 pm to Mr K
and what team is your favorite?
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:55 pm to pioneerbasketball
I like Alabama, my dad went there when Bear was coaching and to a lesser extent Oklahoma since I am from there and my brother went there and lives a couple of blocks from the stadium.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:56 pm to colston12
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I agree. Arky fans had enough of HDN. OM needed a coach like HDN because O was the worst hire in SEC history, minus an above average recruiting effort. But if Petrino stays at Arky for 10 years ( ) and doesn't reach ATL at least twice, HDN > Petrino. We shall see...
We shall see. There certainly are no guarantees. That said, do not believe that Hootie was fired for Petrino. Nutt was removed regardless of his successor.
quote:At best the same. IMO, the team remaining was not as talented as it should have been. Look to HDN's previous recruiting classes.
Probably around the same. I don't see how anyone could reasonably speculate any differently...
quote:Below average for SEC. Doesn't matter who the coach was, record would not be winning. Petrino won more than I thought he would.
Average to slightly-below average SEC talent. It would've been a rebuilding year at Arky regardless of who the coach was last year.
quote:Right on the record but wrong on the analysis. Would you settle for that record? Do remember the LSU teams of the 70's, 80's and 90's? Would you like to revisit those decades, mostly mediocre with occasional good teams? You shouldn't and I would not tell you it was damn good enough for LSU.
42–38–0. Above average, but you have to factor in 2 appearances to the SECCG. The bowl record wasn't great, but that doesn't negate the ATL appearances. Good enough for Arky for damn sure.
Arkansas fans determine what is acceptable.
quote:1-2 lifetime. That is terrible.
Probably 10-0. Vandy sucks. Ole Miss would've killed for a 10-0 record against Vandy in the last 10 years.
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His recruiting has been average. Arky's location and local high school talent hurts them compared to other SEC schools. He's not a great recruiter, but not a bad one either. They have the All-Americans (Andrews, Felton, McFadden, Jones, Luigs, Parker, Ugoh, Kennedy, Lucas) and 1st round draft picks to back it up.
Actually, not average or good enough to compete in the SEC on a consistent level. Occasional 4 or 5 stars w/ mostly 2/3 stars is not good enough. He lost quite a bit of the in-state talent too.
Arkansas is not a MS or LA, we need a coach that can go into other states (including TX) and get good talent. HDN was not successful at that.
He did support and help get implemented spring ball, kudos for that. AR never had it. Just started playing 7-7 w/in the past few years.
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Ask Ole Miss fans.
What about Bama, LSU, FL or TN fans?
Thanks for answering
.Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:03 pm to SLC
Ark is not a Bama, Florida, Lsu, Georgia in stature and never will be in the SEC. He was as good there as anyone else will be. When they were in the SWC things were different. There are only a handful of coaches I think are better than Nutt and they are are all at major programs that had traditions of winning and championships before they got there. Guys like Saban, Meyer, Stoops, Carroll, Texas coach etc.
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:07 pm to Mr K
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Ark is not a Bama, Florida, Lsu, Georgia in stature and never will be in the SEC. He was as good there as anyone else will be. When they were in the SWC things were different. There are only a handful of coaches I think are better than Nutt and they are are all at major programs that had traditions of winning and championships before they got there. Guys like Saban, Meyer, Stoops, Carroll, Texas coach etc.
There are a lot more coaches better than Nutt than you realize.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:09 pm to Mr K
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Ark is not a Bama, Florida, Lsu, Georgia in stature and never will be in the SEC.
Your right, we should just give up football and never try to compete.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:15 pm to pioneerbasketball
Arkansas made a mistake joining the SEC imo. There are too many storied programs with great tradition, coaches etc. It's a brutal league to compete and recruit in. They were higher in the SWC pecking order.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:35 pm to pioneerbasketball
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How many of those are against D1AA.
The same number as the coaches of the next 10 years.
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He was barely over 500 in the sec.
And the record will be no better against the SEC in the next 10 years.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:36 pm to Mr K
To me Nutt and the Vandy coach are similar. Both great underrated coaches but they are in the SEC and at lesser programs. To me teams like Ark, Vandy, Miss St, Kentucky, Miss etc are like journeyman boxers in the SEC. Tough, occasionally win when they are not supposed to but are there to be knocked out by the top prospects.
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:40 pm to Mr K
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Ark, Vandy, Miss St, Kentucky, Miss
and South Carolina
The 6 fanbases of the smaller teams in the conference have to realize that they aren't going to win 10 games year in and year out. Until they do, They will keep firing coaches that shouldn't be fired and hiring coaches that shouldn't be hired.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:48 pm to Zach
your right we should just quit football.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:54 pm to pioneerbasketball
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your right we should just quit football.
I wasn't saying that. Out of those 6 programs Arkansas is easily the best, but I am saying is that being a fan of one of those teams, you can't expect to kick arse every year. It isn't supposed to happen. It simply isn't going to happen. Arkansas has a lot of money and great facilities, but does not have the kind of In-state talent or Tradition to be an LSU, Bama, Florida, or Georgia. Even Tennessee has seriously faltered because they don't have enough in-state talent to win big, and they have not been able to recruit out of state well like they did back when Phat Phil made his run.
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