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re: Is self reporting/penalizing of NCAA violations a bargaining or settlement ploy
Posted on 3/9/11 at 8:51 am to TheoreticalTiger
Posted on 3/9/11 at 8:51 am to TheoreticalTiger
All I know is tOSU's self penalties on Tressel are a joke. Dez Bryant lied to the NCAA about having lunch with Deion and was suspended for the rest of his NCAA career (10 games). He was a college student. Tressel is a head coach. What should his punishment be?
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Posted on 3/9/11 at 9:18 am to crimson crazy
I think it depends on if anyone else in the OSU athletic department other than Tressel knew/or should have known that will determine how bad it could be. If others knew and withheld info, then you get into the area of a lack of institutional control. Then all bets are off for tOSU. It should still be serious regardless of whether it was just the head coach though.
Posted on 3/9/11 at 9:24 am to crimson crazy
This stuff has got to stop and when A Head Coach does something to this magnitude as Jim Tressel, they need to be punished to the point that they will not want to do it again or to keep any other Coach from doing it. The way would be to disqualify him from Coaching a whole year. If it is good enough for the student (Des Bryant) then the punisshment for the Head Coach should be held to a higher/stronger policy than the students he teaches. A stronger policy to me would be to disqualify him for a year without pay, because he should be the one punished not the program or the kids unless they were involved also and that violation be on his record for life/until retirement and to be responsible for holding seminars at each school in their Conference while disqualified and that goes for a Coach that has to leave or wants to leave for another Coaching job in College or Pro.
There has to be consequincies for their actions and until that happens they will continue to do it. We as Fans should want that for fairness not only to the individuals effected but also to us as Fans we are effected everytime our School is placed on probation and/or a kid is disqualified. We should be the ones yelling the loudest afterall it is our money that pays that Coaches salary and the Fans that fill that Stadium every Saturday in support of our Teams or whenever they play.
I got imvolved with this thread for this very reason and if it be my School (LSU) that gets hit then so be it it has to stop somewhere. For that, whatever it is, to come into thread and start spewing his/her/whatever it is, arrogant piewhole about us being anti-Auburn we are not anti-Auburn we are anti-cheating and are out front with it and do not mence our words about it. The thing that gets us so wriled up is when someone like that comes in here spewing/accussing toward us as individuals is what we defend and then we get penalized for it and it gets off scott free.
That is it end of my rant for today gotta go to the Doctor be back later.
Remember God Will Not Be Mocked! God Bless & Peace!
There has to be consequincies for their actions and until that happens they will continue to do it. We as Fans should want that for fairness not only to the individuals effected but also to us as Fans we are effected everytime our School is placed on probation and/or a kid is disqualified. We should be the ones yelling the loudest afterall it is our money that pays that Coaches salary and the Fans that fill that Stadium every Saturday in support of our Teams or whenever they play.
I got imvolved with this thread for this very reason and if it be my School (LSU) that gets hit then so be it it has to stop somewhere. For that, whatever it is, to come into thread and start spewing his/her/whatever it is, arrogant piewhole about us being anti-Auburn we are not anti-Auburn we are anti-cheating and are out front with it and do not mence our words about it. The thing that gets us so wriled up is when someone like that comes in here spewing/accussing toward us as individuals is what we defend and then we get penalized for it and it gets off scott free.
That is it end of my rant for today gotta go to the Doctor be back later.
Remember God Will Not Be Mocked! God Bless & Peace!
Posted on 3/9/11 at 9:44 am to CaseyMc2
Couldn't agree more. This business of punishing the players, while the coaches and agents get away scot-free has got to stop. If a 20 year-old college kid can be suspended an entire season, a grown man and authority figure who's job is to watch over these kids should be punished just as severely, if not mroe.
Posted on 3/9/11 at 10:24 am to TheoreticalTiger
And no, LSU has not done this. LSU gave themselves HARSHER penalties than the NCAA would have given them. Self reporting/penalizing was just how it was found out. Because we do things right.
Posted on 3/9/11 at 10:29 am to Big McLargeHuge
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Because we do things right.
If you did things right there would have been nothing to report.
Posted on 3/9/11 at 10:30 am to Big McLargeHuge
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And no, LSU has not done this. LSU gave themselves HARSHER penalties than the NCAA would have given them. Self reporting/penalizing was just how it was found out. Because we do things right.
Do you have a link that the NCAA accepted LSU's penalties... In December they were still waiting. Not saying it is not true, but.............
Posted on 3/9/11 at 10:33 am to Big McLargeHuge
quote:Give a top recruit a $1000 apartment for $400, give him free rides and have him stay with a female "staff member" on visits who "gave him rides and showed him around". That may be the right way to get recruits, but I don't think it is the "right way" according to the NCAA.
Because we do things right.
Also, almost 4000 calls to recruits and or their families or high schools that violated NCAA rules does not equal doing it the right way.
I think Vandy is the only school in the SEC that might be okay up on that high horse. You LSU fans need to join the rest of us.
Posted on 3/9/11 at 12:22 pm to WDE24
At least we have admitted our wrongs and I have as of yet to see where Auburn has amitted to doing anything. The only they admitt to doing anything. The only way that was done is when Pat Dye, yalls distinguished former Head Coach, pulled off his pants and they washed ashore somewhere on the beaches of The Gulf of Mexico and for that he gets a field named after him! Have yet to give an answer to why his pants where found washed up on the beach or at least I haven't heard a decent whorthey answer. His wallet and everthing else was still intact, wonder what he was covering up? Hmmmmmm..... 
Posted on 3/9/11 at 12:27 pm to TheoreticalTiger
Depends on teh situation IMO
If it is something that was withheld for a long time before being reported... then IMO the cheating was more significant and the punishment should be greater
If the violations were reported promptly I think there should be leniency in some cases
Hopefully it never got to the point of lying to the NCAA at any stage... but if it did I'd say you're better to be a Pearl than a Tressell. So far as I know Pearl did not think he was going to be found out and self reported (if I'm wrong on then mea culpa)
If it is something that was withheld for a long time before being reported... then IMO the cheating was more significant and the punishment should be greater
If the violations were reported promptly I think there should be leniency in some cases
Hopefully it never got to the point of lying to the NCAA at any stage... but if it did I'd say you're better to be a Pearl than a Tressell. So far as I know Pearl did not think he was going to be found out and self reported (if I'm wrong on then mea culpa)
Posted on 3/9/11 at 12:27 pm to CaseyMc2
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At least we have admitted our wrongs and I have as of yet to see where Auburn has amitted to doing anything. The only they admitt to doing anything. The only way that was done is when Pat Dye, yalls distinguished former Head Coach, pulled off his pants and they washed ashore somewhere on the beaches of The Gulf of Mexico and for that he gets a field named after him! Have yet to give an answer to why his pants where found washed up on the beach or at least I haven't heard a decent whorthey answer. His wallet and everthing else was still intact, wonder what he was covering up? Hmmmmmm.....
jesus christ, you're obsessed, aren't you? You're obsessed, crazy arse can't go a day without talking about your obsession with Auburn football. Quit crying.
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Posted on 3/9/11 at 12:29 pm to crimson crazy
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All I know is tOSU's self penalties on Tressel are a joke. Dez Bryant lied to the NCAA about having lunch with Deion and was suspended for the rest of his NCAA career (10 games). He was a college student. Tressel is a head coach. What should his punishment be?
If the NCAA only punished the OSU players 5 games I'd say the minimum is 5 games for Tressell. Considering his leadership position and he should have known better I'd lean towards more like 8 games
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