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Is Saban the one who ruined college football?
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:26 pm
Before you guys pounce, he's the greatest. But the whole lack of parity started when he went to Alabama. Recruiting is the main reason: #1 almost every year.
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:31 pm to lsudepression
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Before you guys pounce, he's the greatest. But the whole lack of parity started when he went to Alabama. Recruiting is the main reason: #1 almost every year.
Is there lack of parity?
The last 4 seasons have had 4 different national champs (Clemson, LSU, Alabama, Georgia).
Since 2008 there have been 8 different schools win national titles.
Alabama (6) (2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017, 2021)
Clemson (2) (2016, 2018)
Florida (1) (2008)
LSU (1) (2019)
Georgia (1) (2021)
Florida State (1) (2013)
Ohio State (1) (2014)
Auburn (1) (2010)
There have been a bunch of schools that have won and competed for national titles (throw in Oregon, Notre Dame, Oklahoma who have all been close multiple times in that window). Alabama won about half of them and then the other half have been split by basically a new team every year.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:33 pm to lsudepression
I think the playoff did.
Ensures a SEC team is in the hunt every year. The other conferences had a better shot if they did not have to play a SEC school in the title game.
And I’m fine with this. The SEC is the mini NFL right now.
Thread title could have been worded better.
Ensures a SEC team is in the hunt every year. The other conferences had a better shot if they did not have to play a SEC school in the title game.
And I’m fine with this. The SEC is the mini NFL right now.
Thread title could have been worded better.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:34 pm to lsudepression
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Is Saban the one who ruined college football?
No. CFB isn't ruined.
But it does have a different feel than it did even 10-12 years ago, but it has nothing to do with Saban.
It has more to do with the TV deals, ticket and concession prices, fancy at-home TVs, players opting out late in the season/during bowl games, and all the other things that have been talked about before.
The atmosphere of watching games in-person or at home just don't feel the same as they used to. For me personally, I don't know if that's because I got older, because I moved out of the area, or because of the reasons I mentioned above. I'm afraid I can't articulate it very well.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:38 pm to theGarnetWay
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No. CFB isn't ruined.
But it does have a different feel than it did even 10-12 years ago, but it has nothing to do with Saban.
It has more to do with the TV deals, ticket and concession prices, fancy at-home TVs, players opting out late in the season/during bowl games, and all the other things that have been talked about before.
The atmosphere watching games in-person or at home just don't feel the same as they used to. For me personally, I don't know if that's because I got older, because I moved out of the area, or because of the reasons I mentioned above. I'm afraid I can't articulate it very well.
You are dead on.
The change was TV, money and the internet. College football was regional up until around the mid-2000s. You cared about your conference and your rivalries. Even schools like Alabama that were perennial blue blood national title schools didn't sit around thinking about the national title until late October or November.
Winning a rivalry game or a bowl game or your conference was a huge deal. Having a "big TV" game on CBS or ABC or ESPN at night was a big deal. Every school didn't think you had to win the SEC or the National Title to have a successful season. Most never even considered it was possible, and they still enjoyed football and the games and everything about it.
Those things aren't big deals anymore - for anybody. Everything is on TV, everyone is interconnected, the regional feel is completely gone. It has absolutely taken something away.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yes, you make a good point. I'm not trying to hate at all. But remember, Alabama has been to nine national titles since he came as well. Even though they lost three, still good those years; it's a lack of parity from that perspective.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:42 pm to lsudepression
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Yes, you make a good point. I'm not trying to hate at all. But remember, Alabama has been to nine national titles since he came as well. Even though they lost three, still good those years; it's a lack of parity from that perspective.
Yea I mean we are absolutely the monster in the room. Honestly, and I know it is easy for me to say this, I think having a big bad guy is good for sports. It was fun to hate the Yankees in the 90s. It was fun to hate USC in the 2000s. I think it's fun for teams to hate us (for them) and it's exhilarating to beat us and win titles (LSU 2019, UGA 2021).
I think the issues we talked about above are definitely eroding the feel of CFB, though.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:42 pm to lsudepression
Yes. Saban and Bama to be specific. Next question.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:43 pm to CrunchimusMaximusThe
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Yes. Saban and Bama to be specific. Next question.
Well Saban ruined Tennessee football. That is well documented and irrefutable.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:43 pm to lsudepression
IMO you're asking two different questions.
1. Does the dominance of one team make college football less entertaining?
2. Has the sport of college football been "ruined" compared to what it used to be?
In regards to the first, as an Alabama fan, no, of course not.
As for the second, for fans of other programs, I would offer—How many times has Nick Saban asked if this is what we want college football to be?
For both, you can't blame someone for adapting and excelling withing the framework that everyone else agrees upon.
One could counter that college football has been ruined because no one else has stepped up to adequately compete. This has led to a never-ending parade of changes and concessions that have ultimately failed to adjust this lack of parity, and instead has brought the sport dangerously close to becoming a product that none of us like.
1. Does the dominance of one team make college football less entertaining?
2. Has the sport of college football been "ruined" compared to what it used to be?
In regards to the first, as an Alabama fan, no, of course not.
As for the second, for fans of other programs, I would offer—How many times has Nick Saban asked if this is what we want college football to be?
For both, you can't blame someone for adapting and excelling withing the framework that everyone else agrees upon.
One could counter that college football has been ruined because no one else has stepped up to adequately compete. This has led to a never-ending parade of changes and concessions that have ultimately failed to adjust this lack of parity, and instead has brought the sport dangerously close to becoming a product that none of us like.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
What comes around goes around Gump. Don't forget that.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:46 pm to CrunchimusMaximusThe
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What comes around goes around Gump. Don't forget that.
Yep, and it's not done coming around for you guys yet.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:51 pm to CrunchimusMaximusThe
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Yes. Saban and Bama to be specific. Next question.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:56 pm to lsudepression
Fans total access to everything and all recruits, and coaches on the internet ruined college football
Schools arms race to build the best facilities, and coddle athletes ruined college football
Fans need for instant gratification ruined college football
ESPN ruined college football
etc
And just keeps spiraling down the rabbit hole
Schools arms race to build the best facilities, and coddle athletes ruined college football
Fans need for instant gratification ruined college football
ESPN ruined college football
etc
And just keeps spiraling down the rabbit hole
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:58 pm to lsudepression
Phillip Fulmer is the one who ruined college football. Hear me out.
Fulmer (and other SEC coaches, who wouldn't reveal themselves) turned in Alabama's football program.
Fulmer calls the NCAA on Bama in 2000...that combined with DuBose horrible performance (preseason #3, finishing the season with 3 wins) started the ball rolling. Because of that mess, they picked up a coach they thought would help them stay out of trouble (Coach Fran), who saw the 5hit-show they were going to be after sanctions hit...so he bolted for aTm, and they wound up with Shula. Shula sucks and is also hit with vacated games...that is what made Bama desperate enough to dig deep in their pockets and get Saban.
If Bama doesn't get called out by the NCAA...does that road lead to Saban and the success they've enjoyed over the last 17 years?
Fulmer (and other SEC coaches, who wouldn't reveal themselves) turned in Alabama's football program.
Fulmer calls the NCAA on Bama in 2000...that combined with DuBose horrible performance (preseason #3, finishing the season with 3 wins) started the ball rolling. Because of that mess, they picked up a coach they thought would help them stay out of trouble (Coach Fran), who saw the 5hit-show they were going to be after sanctions hit...so he bolted for aTm, and they wound up with Shula. Shula sucks and is also hit with vacated games...that is what made Bama desperate enough to dig deep in their pockets and get Saban.
If Bama doesn't get called out by the NCAA...does that road lead to Saban and the success they've enjoyed over the last 17 years?
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:58 pm to lsudepression
Saban changed it completely from a game of football to a game of recruiting. Recruiting has always been a big part of it, but the Taj Mahal football facilities that have been since built, the 3-5 year coaching rotations, the astronomical salaries, the shift of perspective entirely to NFL readiness... all of this was inevitable, but Saban punched the accelerator on it.
But the major change is just money. Money tends to suck the charm out of just about anything over time.
But the major change is just money. Money tends to suck the charm out of just about anything over time.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:59 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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ESPN ruined college football
Old-school ESPN helped to shape the sport into something amazing.
But if you're talking current-day ESPN, there's actually a lot of truth to this.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 3:01 pm to lsudepression
There is parity in college football. The outlier is Alabama. The people changing the rules and moving the goalposts ruined college football to try to overcome Saban instead of just getting better like grown men should. To be the man, you have to beat the man. That's the way it is, and anything other than that is sissy. Sissies ruined college football if anyone did.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 3:01 pm to paperwasp
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But if you're talking current-day ESPN, there's actually a lot of truth to this.
Yes, I am specifically referring to the current-day ESPN. They ruined what they initially helped become a National Treasure at one time. Greed
Posted on 3/1/22 at 3:04 pm to Nitro Express
Sidewalk gump fan detected. Saban showing some cracks lately. Who will you root for next?
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