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Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:47 am to SidewalkTiger
That offense scored 74 against LSU just three years ago.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:48 am to rebelrouser
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That offense scored 74 against LSU just three years ago.
LSU was running a very similar offense and scored 72.
They also got beat by 29 points against Bama.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:51 am to SidewalkTiger
50-7 yes
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:52 am to SidewalkTiger
Yes. I know all of this. Also, the QBs did nothing, other than gift a TD, until the final drive in garbage time.
Your question was if Jimbo’s offense was outdated and you picked two games as examples that were more indicative of Mond’s struggles than Jimbo’s conservative offense.
A&M’s inability to put away medicore teams with decisive scorelines coupled with the inability to hang with elite offenses like Bama is more on Jimbo than the LSU or Vandy game struggles.
Your question was if Jimbo’s offense was outdated and you picked two games as examples that were more indicative of Mond’s struggles than Jimbo’s conservative offense.
A&M’s inability to put away medicore teams with decisive scorelines coupled with the inability to hang with elite offenses like Bama is more on Jimbo than the LSU or Vandy game struggles.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:53 am to SidewalkTiger
Incredibly small sample size. Kellon Mond is it for Jimbo's 3 years at TAMU. Jimbo was smart enough to use his wheels as well as his arm in his offense. Great coaches manage who they have, but.......
Jimbo's offenses at Florida State were lethal. Jameis Winston was the Heisman winner and for good reason. In his 2 years at the controls, he was throwing for about 4000 per season. What's conservative about that?
So who's in the stable? Secretariat or The Old Gray Mare.
Jimbo's offenses at Florida State were lethal. Jameis Winston was the Heisman winner and for good reason. In his 2 years at the controls, he was throwing for about 4000 per season. What's conservative about that?
So who's in the stable? Secretariat or The Old Gray Mare.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:54 am to GerryDiNardo
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Your question was if Jimbo’s offense was outdated and you picked two games as examples that were more indicative of Mond’s struggles than Jimbo’s conservative offense.
Why are Jimbo and Mond two separate entities?
Jimbo started him for three seasons and is a supposed "QB guru," why does everyone blame Mond but give Jimbo a pass?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:04 am to SidewalkTiger
Legit question. I think it’s because of the body of work for Jimbo in terms of producing QBs. I never saw Mond and was remotely impressed. He was a poor man’s Jason Campbell at his best times and awful at his worst. I was shocked he got drafted at all, much less as early as he did.
That said Jimbo’s stubbornness, which shows up in his playcalling, kept putting him out there even when he struggled so he does deserve some blame for the ineptitude. But he doesn’t throw the pass.
That said Jimbo’s stubbornness, which shows up in his playcalling, kept putting him out there even when he struggled so he does deserve some blame for the ineptitude. But he doesn’t throw the pass.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:10 am to SidewalkTiger
As long as he finishes towards the top of this particular dataset, rather than towards the bottom, I’m ok with whatever he wants to do. He’s not having trouble recruiting offensive players, so they seem comfortable with his offense as well. Bottom line: Fisher earns a healthy paycheck to know more than our armchair QBs about college/Aggie football.
*I’m assuming Vanderbilt’s forfeited games in ‘20 kept them off this table.
*I’m assuming Vanderbilt’s forfeited games in ‘20 kept them off this table.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:14 am to SidewalkTiger
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Jimbo started him for three seasons and is a supposed "QB guru," why does everyone blame Mond but give Jimbo a pass?
Why would a 9-1 season in an all-SEC schedule constitute needing a pass? Check the record books, there aren't any pictures.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:16 am to EKG
That table isn’t positive for a team trying to make it to Atlanta for the first time.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:21 am to EKG
Idk how that chart is ranked? Maybe total yards? If so LSU should be #5 ahead of Georgia and just behind #4 A&M while having 2 true freshman QB’s for most of the season with everybody gone to the draft and all the opt outs and with A&M having a veteran laden team and still there’s only a few yards different in the offenses...and yet to LSU it was a failure and they started over with new offensive staff
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:22 am to bamameister
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Incredibly small sample size. Kellon Mond is it for Jimbo's 3 years at TAMU. Jimbo was smart enough to use his wheels as well as his arm in his offense. Great coaches manage who they have, but.......
Jimbo's offenses at Florida State were lethal. Jameis Winston was the Heisman winner and for good reason. In his 2 years at the controls, he was throwing for about 4000 per season. What's conservative about that?
So who's in the stable? Secretariat or The Old Gray Mare.
Those offenses at FSU were playing far less talented teams with 22 starters who eventually played in the NFL.
As for Jameis vs Kellen, are you saying Jimbo needs a 5 star quarterback to succeed?
Jamies was the #1 dual threat quarterback in his class, Kellen was #3. Kellen was a very highly recruited prospect who was offered by teams like Clemson and Ohio State.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:23 am to GerryDiNardo
Maybe, maybe not; time will tell, and I respect your opinion.
Ultimately Ws/Ls are my measuring stick.
As long as he continues to deliver in that regard, I won’t complain.
Ultimately Ws/Ls are my measuring stick.
As long as he continues to deliver in that regard, I won’t complain.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:30 am to EKG
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Ultimately Ws/Ls are my measuring stick.
As long as he continues to deliver in that regard, I won’t complain.
It's basically the Kirby argument at this point.
They're both winning games but neither has the offense to win a title at this point.
Kirby seems to be taking steps to fix that by hiring a new OC and bringing in transfers, Jimbo seems to be stuck in 2010 scheme wise.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:35 am to GerryDiNardo
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In fairness, the Vandy game was the season opener without any non-conference warmups and the LSU game was in rain and Mond was like 30% passing. I don’t think either are an indictment of Fisher’s offense.
The bigger indictment was Bama. Jimbo’s conservative offense won’t be able to keep up with explosive offenses and that seems to be the trend of top tier teams. This season, it will be interesting to see how much of their offensive struggles and inability to put teams away was Mond’s inconsistency/inefficiency vs. Fisher’s conservative mentality.
This is a pretty fair and accurate assessment. Good discussion.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:45 am to SidewalkTiger
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And I wouldn't call scoring 13 points "running at will."
Do you know the difference between yards and points or do I need to break out the crayons?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:46 am to SidewalkTiger
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They're both winning games but neither has the offense to win a title at this point.
There isn’t a person alive who has the means of knowing that.
I’ve seen you make this case (re: Fisher) multiple times, and your opinion is as valid as anyone’s.
Conversely, I’m of the mindset that schemes don’t really become obsolete; they work in certain situations or they don’t.
I’ve said my peace*
*Not to be confused with passive-aggressive trolling.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:56 am to SidewalkTiger
Yes. I vote that it is outdated and I also vote that A&M is gayer than the US Navy (which is very gay).
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:17 am to SidewalkTiger
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Those offenses at FSU were playing far less talented teams with 22 starters who eventually played in the NFL.
As for Jameis vs Kellen, are you saying Jimbo needs a 5 star quarterback to succeed?
Didn't Jimbo win a national championship with QB Mattie Mauck at LSU in 2003 as the OC and QB coach?
Didn't Jimbo Fisher make QB JaMarcus Russell the number one QB taken in the NFL draft at LSU?
Didn't QB Christian Ponder become a first-round pick at Florida State under Jimbo?
Didn't QB EJ Manuel become a first-round pick in 2013 under Jimbo Fisher?
Didn't QB Jameis Winston win the Heisman and National Championship and become the 2nd Jimbo Fisher QB to be the first pick in the NFL draft?
Tell me again how the QB guru of the SEC has suddenly developed amnesia?
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