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re: I'm a little irritated..........with "some" Aggies
Posted on 9/30/11 at 5:52 pm to DWag215
Posted on 9/30/11 at 5:52 pm to DWag215
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DWag215
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His decision was influenced by the NCAA sanctions placed on Alabama, which included a two-year bowl ban, the loss of 21 scholarships over three years, and five years probation. Franchione did not return to Alabama after interviewing for the job, instead informing his players of his decision to accept the job at Texas A&M via video teleconference.[10]
I mean how else should I state it so it's not misleading.
And we didn't give you Fran, he left for an interview because Alabama was about to get hammered by the NCAA, you hired him, and he didn't come back.
Is that better?
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Posted on 9/30/11 at 5:53 pm to LarrySellers
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What makes me HATE A&M when I think about that is that you did it during the week of the Iron Bowl, and we dealt with questions about Fran all week, then got THUNDERfrickED by Auburn in a game we probably should have won. Fran never fit in, and I can't say I blame him for bolting before the desolate next 5 years of probation era football. But I still blame ya'll for that Iron Bowl loss, you couldn't wait a few more days?
Y'all couldn't have waited to hire the Bear until he got us at least a couple of those championships that he eventually got y'all?
Be it Bryant, Stallings, or Fran...It's overwhelmingly clear that y'all have made out like bandits with regard to our schools' coaching exchanges.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 5:56 pm to DWag215
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But the silver lining is that your perception of A&M is skewed and does not reflect reality.
What perception? That you hired a coach and we didn't make you. Cause that was my point.
WE DIDN'T "GIVE YOU, MAKE YOU TAKE" FRANCHIONE. You did it on your own.
I don't care what his buyouts were like, you hired him, your problem, quit acting like it was our fault.
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 9/30/11 at 5:59 pm to DWag215
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His decision was influenced by the NCAA sanctions placed on Alabama
This is not conclusive to the answer of why he left...Did it help him? Sure.
But to accept that as the only reason he left would be to say that he had knowledge that y'all would be getting sanctioned when structuring the buyouts of his contract.
Fran must have gained such foresight when dealing his Tarot cards the night before accepting the job at Bama.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:00 pm to NATidefan
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What perception? That you hired a coach and we didn't make you. Cause that was my point.
The perception I was referencing was that which you share with numerous other ignorant posters: that A&M offers nothing with regard to football.
How dense are you, man?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:01 pm to DWag215
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The perception I was referencing was that which you share with numerous other ignorant posters: that A&M offers nothing with regard to football.
When the frick did I say anything remotely like that in regards to Franchione?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:02 pm to DWag215
quote:I don't know about him, but I've been saying that.
that A&M offers nothing with regard to football.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:03 pm to NATidefan
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When the frick did I say anything remotely like that in regards to Franchione?
You're still missing the point by miles.
Let's start with this: How do you perceive A&M football as a whole? Meaning, what are your general opinions about the program and what it can achieve in football?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:06 pm to DWag215
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DWag215
You are reading WAYYYYYYYYY too much into what I said.
All I said is "we didn't give you fran, he left, you hired him."
How the frick does that imply he didn't leave Alabama cause Texas A&M was a better place for him, a better school, a better program, an upgrade, whatever.
My whole point in that whole statement was that "WE DIDN'T MAKE YOU HIRE HIM!!!"
And I'm dense? Jesus.
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:07 pm to DWag215
quote:You've pretty much been the Vandy of the Big 12.
How do you perceive A&M football as a whole?
quote:Low grade at best with less of a chance to win the SECC than Miss St.
Meaning, what are your general opinions about the program and what it can achieve in football?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:10 pm to DWag215
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How do you perceive A&M football as a whole?
Your missing the point, what the frick does that have to do with my statement about Franchione.
Doesn't matter if I think you suck, are great, or are middle tier.
If I said Franchione only went to A&M because of the NCAA sanctions, and wouldn't have gone to that shithole school in that crappy conference and left the almighty alabama, you might have a point.
But I didn't say that did I, don't put words or perceptions in my mouth.
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:23 pm to DWag215
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Fran must have gained such foresight when dealing his Tarot cards the night before accepting the job at Bama.
no people had been waiting for 2 years for the NCAA to hammer us, this was all over the Albert Means scandal that happened under DuBose, and was one of many reasons he got fired
There was a cloud hanging over Bama when Fran was hired, it just took another 2 years for the NCAA to finish its case and punish us. I think his plan all along was to coach until the sanctions were handed out then bail before they took effect, and use us as a stepping stone in his career and salary. I think he put those clauses in his contract b/c he knew what he was gonna do before he even took the job at Bama
A story came out a few years after he left, that during his first season at Bama, he had been offered the job at Kansas midseason (secretly) and had his agent informally accept the job, but at the last minute the Notre Dame job came open and Fran thought he had a shot at that, so he backed out on Kansas, and obviously he never even got close to the ND job. Kansas was pissed, they told him to eat a dick... and we got him for 1 extra year in Tuscaloosa. Point is he never planned on staying with us, and was working to bail within months of arriving on campus.
HOLD THE ROPE... what an arse that guy was
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:25 pm to NATidefan
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If I said Franchione only went to A&M because of the NCAA sanctions, and wouldn't have gone to that shithole school in that crappy conference and left the almighty alabama, you might have a point. But I didn't say that did I, don't put words or perceptions in my mouth.
Hey, I made the assumption based on the totality of your posts on this thread that you perceived A&M as a doormat football school. That assumption would be conducive to the general lack of respect you've shown on the thread..So that assumption, taken in conjunction with your post that seemingly described Fran's departure as independent from the idea that he would actually prefer A&M to Bama, is what led to my perception argument.
If my assumption was wrong, ok...If you didn't mean for the Fran departure post to convey the idea that he never preferred A&M to Bama in the first place, then ok....The perception argument was misplaced.
Am I making myself clear? It's been a terribly long day.
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:28 pm to LarrySellers
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There was a cloud hanging over Bama when Fran was hired, it just took another 2 years for the NCAA to finish its case and punish us. I think his plan all along was to coach until the sanctions were handed out then bail before they took effect, and use us as a stepping stone in his career and salary. I think he put those clauses in his contract b/c he knew what he was gonna do before he even took the job at Bama
Interesting. That would obviously make sense. For the record, I'm not of the belief that A&M is a better job than Bama.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:31 pm to DWag215
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Interesting. That would obviously make sense. For the record, I'm not of the belief that A&M is a better job than Bama.
well, to be fair it probably was at that point.
things were not so fun there during the probation years, and we couldn't get ANYONE worth a shite to come in and lead us through it, thats how we ended up with Mike Shula
Posted on 9/30/11 at 6:38 pm to DWag215
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Hey, I made the assumption based on the totality of your posts on this thread that you perceived A&M as a doormat football school. That assumption would be conducive to the general lack of respect you've shown on the thread..So that assumption, taken in conjunction with your post that seemingly described Fran's departure as independent from the idea that he would actually prefer A&M to Bama, is what led to my perception argument.
If my assumption was wrong, ok...If you didn't mean for the Fran departure to convey the idea that he never preferred A&M to Bama in the first place, then ok....The perception argument was misplaced.
Am I making myself clear? It's been a terribly long day.
1) your assumption was wrong regarding my fran statement.
2) I think A&M has sucked for the last 10 years, but has a good chance to improve by joining the SEC. Mainly by benefiting from equal profit sharing and better recruiting that may result from more money, being in a better conference with schools closer by to travel to, unlike Texas will have if they join the Pac 10. Also with more money, you should be able to hire better coachs. (not saying the one you have now is bad, don't know much about him and heard he is turning things arouund)
3) I think your yell leaders look and act gay, get some female dancers to go with them and your golden.
4) Don't act like the SEC is getting this huge benefit by you joining. You are a middle tier school football and income wise in comparison to other SEC schools. A&M is the one benefiting from this move, we were fine with the Big 12 and the SEC the way it was.
5) I think if A&M makes the right steps after moving to the SEC they could be very competitive like Arky and South Carolina have become, if you don't make the right moves (ie keeping/hiring good coaches, recruiting better, building better facilities) you will remain about the same and be a stomping post for the better teams in the SEC.
That is my perception and issues with A&M. Oh yeah, and win a fricking bowl game for christ's sake.
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 9/30/11 at 7:10 pm to NATidefan
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4) Don't act like the SEC is getting this huge benefit by you joining. You are a middle tier school football and income wise in comparison to other SEC schools. A&M is the one benefiting from this move, we were fine with the Big 12 and the SEC the way it was.
First off, yes the SEC was fine the way it was and doesn't need A&M per se, but the PAC-12 TV deal, including their Tier3 networks, put the SEC behind revenue wise. While Slive wasn't actively looking to expand, he wasn't going to turn down an opportunity to correct this deficiency.
As was stated earlier, A&M increases the SEC footprint by 21 million TV sets, or a ~40% increase. Initial projections on a RE-NEGOTIATED CONTRACT with Mizzou also included estimated that each SEC school would receive an increase of $8 mil.
In addition, there has been a lot of reports that Slive is planning to setup an SEC Network of pooled media rights similar to Big10 that would increase revenue even further.
POINT IS: by adding A&M and Mizzou estimates for the reworked deal plus SEC Network revenue came out to $35 MILLION PER SCHOOL. So yes, we bring substantial value to the SEC.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 7:16 pm to StrickAggie06
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Oh yeah, and win a fricking bowl game for christ's sake.
there has been some heated debate in this thread. Let it be known that I lol'd at this. We share the same sentiments. Holy frick it's annoying. Every year we end the season playing above our head (against our rival texas) and then instantly some bowl above our heads invites us and we get fricked.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 7:22 pm to StrickAggie06
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POINT IS: by adding A&M and Mizzou estimates for the reworked deal plus SEC Network revenue came out to $35 MILLION PER SCHOOL. So yes, we bring substantial value to the SEC.
The collapse of the Big 12 does, which is what has been caused by you and others leaving. My point is we didn't need you to come....
Let me put it this way, we took you cause we have to keep up. But don't act like we needed or wanted you before or that this is all gonna be better for us.
Pretty sure Slive and the rest of the SEC would be fine with the Big 12 going back to the way it was 2 years ago.
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 9/30/11 at 7:24 pm to khaos288
Good point. Just for curiosity, if A&M and OU had switched bowl game opponents who do you think would win the games? A&M or UConn? OU or LSU?
The Cotton Bowl took us last year when hey could have had 10-2 Okie St or Mizzou because we travel well and we ended up playing an much better opponent than OU did in their BCS game.
That being said, we need to sack up and start winning them regardless.
The Cotton Bowl took us last year when hey could have had 10-2 Okie St or Mizzou because we travel well and we ended up playing an much better opponent than OU did in their BCS game.
That being said, we need to sack up and start winning them regardless.
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