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re: If your school played LSU in 2003 AND Alabama in 2009
Posted on 3/6/11 at 12:45 am to Michael J
Posted on 3/6/11 at 12:45 am to Michael J
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You always hear how great the 2001 Miami team was because they put so many players in the NFL. Thats the dumbest thing in the world.
You should look up their average margin of victory.
It blows away every BCS team...... by a lot....
This post was edited on 3/6/11 at 12:50 am
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Posted on 3/6/11 at 12:56 am to joeyb147
joeyb147
Your really don't think margin of victory means anything do you?
Miami and USC for years kept their starters in to incease the margin of victory to loook good in the computer systems and the polls. Both teams were called out on using those tactics (which is right or wrong is a matter of opinion).
The SEC and other conferences had the good ole boy system that kept teams form pouring it on.
There were many games SEC teams would put in the 2nd or even the 3rd team players to keep form scoring more.
Your really don't think margin of victory means anything do you?
Miami and USC for years kept their starters in to incease the margin of victory to loook good in the computer systems and the polls. Both teams were called out on using those tactics (which is right or wrong is a matter of opinion).
The SEC and other conferences had the good ole boy system that kept teams form pouring it on.
There were many games SEC teams would put in the 2nd or even the 3rd team players to keep form scoring more.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 12:58 am to joeyb147
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Not to mention all those powerhouses in the PAC10
OSU (7-5)
UCLA (6-6)
Arizona (3-8)
ASU (9-3)
Oregon (5-6)
Washington (1-10)
Stanford (4-7)
Let's look at Auburn's 2004 conference schedule...
MSU (9-4)
LSU (9-3)
UT (10-3)
Arky (5-6)
UK (2-9)
UM (4-7)
UGA (10-2)
UA (6-6)
So Auburn played 4 conference teams with 9 wins or better.... and Cal played 2 conference teams with 9 wins or better.....
Yeah, 12th ranked SOS... I can see it
Posted on 3/6/11 at 1:00 am to joeyb147
Same points I told CFDW in the early 2000's.
Auburn played a far better schedule in 2004 than USC and should have been in the championship game.
Auburn played a far better schedule in 2004 than USC and should have been in the championship game.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 1:01 am to tigger1
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Your really don't think margin of victory means anything do you?
Not really.
It's my opinion, if you don't like it, kiss my arse. But still, a lot of coaches still play the "class" game. Meaning, they WILL NOT run the score up, no matter what. Tuberville was the master of this. It has been done by many GREAT coaches throughout the years.
Margin of Victory is a fricking joke stat to hang your hat on.
(But... look at Miami's results that year... it was damn impressive... only 2 games came close...)
This post was edited on 3/6/11 at 1:03 am
Posted on 3/6/11 at 1:08 am to joeyb147
joeyb147
Are you a child? I mean you can't hold a reasonable chat without using so many big words?
Steve Spurrier was the fisrt SEC coach to run up scores, but even he pulled his starters many times, USC and Miami would leave them in to the last play to run up a score.
One year Steve and Florida came to Baton Rouge to play and had 35+ points on the board before half time, Steve played his second team for 4/5's of the second half. Florida could have easly put 60 or more points on LSU that day.
Are you a child? I mean you can't hold a reasonable chat without using so many big words?
Steve Spurrier was the fisrt SEC coach to run up scores, but even he pulled his starters many times, USC and Miami would leave them in to the last play to run up a score.
One year Steve and Florida came to Baton Rouge to play and had 35+ points on the board before half time, Steve played his second team for 4/5's of the second half. Florida could have easly put 60 or more points on LSU that day.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 1:16 am to tigger1
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joeyb147
Are you a child? I mean you can't hold a reasonable chat without using so many big words?
OMG
OH NOZZZZ
You got me there...
God damn me for looking at statistics...
You are the apparent god of all football knowledge.
I mean... this record is complete shite... because you said so...
33-7
61-0
43-21
38-7
49-27
45-3
38-0
18-7
59-0
65-7
26-24
37-14
Yah... it's ridiculous... I mean they only gave up more than a TD THREE TIMES in the regular season. Must be runnin' that score up, huh?
Seriously... when another team puts up that kind of domination on both offense AND DEFENSE (8 games with 7 points or less...), then you can talk... other wise... STFU.
That Miami team was easily the best of all BCS era.
ETA: BTW... 2001 Miami is the only team in the last 20 years to hold 8 out of their 11 regular season opponents to 1 TD or less (even the vaunted 92 bama defense only did it to 4 of their opponents).
This post was edited on 3/6/11 at 1:27 am
Posted on 3/6/11 at 1:29 am to joeyb147
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OMG
OH NOZZZZ
You got me there...
God damn me for looking at statistics...
You are the apparent god of all football knowledge.
I mean... this record is complete shite... because you said so...
somebody is a child.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 1:37 am to Alahunter
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Alahunter
Sweet retort.
Can't argue that logic.
You are BA.
Don't mind actually arguing the facts. Might as well go ahead and call your opposition a child.
This post was edited on 3/6/11 at 1:40 am
Posted on 3/6/11 at 1:55 am to joeyb147
I do know why this topic got side tracked to Miami.
Here is Miami's 2001 opponents records
Penn St. 5-6
worse lose 7-33 to Miami
Rutgers 2-9
worse lose 7-80 to West Virginia
Pittsbugh 7-5
worse lose 7-45 to Bonston College
Troy 7-4
worse lose 14-47 to Maryland
Florida St. 8-4
worse lose 9-41 to North Carolina
West Virginia 3-8
worse lost 3-45 to Miami
Temple 4-7
worse lose 3-46 to Syracuse
Boston College 8-4
worse lose 22-38 to Stanford
Syracuse 10-3
worse lose 0-59 to Miami
Washington 8-4
worse lose 7-65 to Miami
Virginia Tech 8-4
worse lose 7-38 to Pittsbugh
Nebraska 11-2
worse lose 36-62 to Colorado
Because Colorado beat Nebraska by 26 and Miami beat them by 23, does that mean Colorado is a better team than Miami?
No
Because as seen above Rutgers lost to West Virginia by 73, and Miami beat West Viginia by 42, so the Miami team had a poor showing vs Rutgers who they should have beat by better than 100?
Margin of victory does not show anything in college football.
Each football game is different, as weather, team injuries, coaching, even the refs you have at the game play a factor (some call a close game, others let stuff slide), open date before a game, a long layoff before a game, etc.
Here is Miami's 2001 opponents records
Penn St. 5-6
worse lose 7-33 to Miami
Rutgers 2-9
worse lose 7-80 to West Virginia
Pittsbugh 7-5
worse lose 7-45 to Bonston College
Troy 7-4
worse lose 14-47 to Maryland
Florida St. 8-4
worse lose 9-41 to North Carolina
West Virginia 3-8
worse lost 3-45 to Miami
Temple 4-7
worse lose 3-46 to Syracuse
Boston College 8-4
worse lose 22-38 to Stanford
Syracuse 10-3
worse lose 0-59 to Miami
Washington 8-4
worse lose 7-65 to Miami
Virginia Tech 8-4
worse lose 7-38 to Pittsbugh
Nebraska 11-2
worse lose 36-62 to Colorado
Because Colorado beat Nebraska by 26 and Miami beat them by 23, does that mean Colorado is a better team than Miami?
No
Because as seen above Rutgers lost to West Virginia by 73, and Miami beat West Viginia by 42, so the Miami team had a poor showing vs Rutgers who they should have beat by better than 100?
Margin of victory does not show anything in college football.
Each football game is different, as weather, team injuries, coaching, even the refs you have at the game play a factor (some call a close game, others let stuff slide), open date before a game, a long layoff before a game, etc.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 2:06 am to tigger1
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Margin of victory does not show anything in college football.
One national championship team, besides the 2001 Miami team, that held 67% of their opposition to 7 points or less in the last 20/30 years.
That's all I'm asking for. With your vigor on the subject, it shouldn't be that hard.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 2:20 am to Bench McElroy
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LSU was behind USC and Oklahoma in the polls, the computers, strength of schedule, everything except for quality win component. It's pretty laughable how people actually prefer the old BCS formula to the new one.
If anything OK backdoored in BCSNC, not LSU.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 2:20 am to joeyb147
I don't think any has, but each team played a different schedule so it is hard to compair say a 1992 Bama defense vs 1995 Nebraska, etc.
Oklahoma 2003 was called the greatest overall team in college football history until it was beat 2 times at the end of the season.
But those game also showed another factor in each conference play is different, the Big 12 was not blitzing White and let him sit and pick their defenses apart, were as in the SEC that would not have happened. As was the 2005 USC team, which lost to Texas in the championship game.
Each team can be beat on a given weekend, even the best or better teams of all time.
Miami of 2001 is one the greatest of all time, and had the most depth of the championship teams I have seen.
Oklahoma 2003 was called the greatest overall team in college football history until it was beat 2 times at the end of the season.
But those game also showed another factor in each conference play is different, the Big 12 was not blitzing White and let him sit and pick their defenses apart, were as in the SEC that would not have happened. As was the 2005 USC team, which lost to Texas in the championship game.
Each team can be beat on a given weekend, even the best or better teams of all time.
Miami of 2001 is one the greatest of all time, and had the most depth of the championship teams I have seen.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 2:32 am to Draconian Sanctions
whichever school you're against, thats who I am for.
thanks for another douchey thread.
thanks for another douchey thread.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 7:19 am to Alahunter
found the error. thanks 
Posted on 3/6/11 at 8:13 am to Jaketigger
No worries. As I said, both were badass and I'd be happy if Bama fielded either defense any year.
As I said, both were badass and I'd be happy if Bama fielded either defense any year. Posted on 3/6/11 at 9:41 am to Alahunter
SEC QB stats 2003
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
16 Matt Mauck, LSU QB JR 14 358 229 63.97 14 3.91 2825 7.89 28 7.82 148.2
17 Eli Manning, Mississippi QB SR 13 441 275 62.36 10 2.27 3600 8.16 29 6.58 148.1
19 Matt Jones, Arkansas QB JR 13 230 132 57.39 7 3.04 1917 8.33 18 7.83 147.1
36 Casey Clausen, Tennessee QB SR 13 412 233 56.55 9 2.18 2968 7.20 27 6.55 134.3
39 Chris Leak, Florida QB FR 13 320 190 59.38 11 3.44 2435 7.61 16 5.00 132.9
40 Jason Campbell, Auburn QB JR 13 293 181 61.77 8 2.73 2267 7.74 10 3.41 132.6
48 David Greene, Georgia QB JR 14 438 264 60.27 11 2.51 3307 7.55 13 2.97 128.5
53 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt QB SO 12 327 187 57.19 13 3.98 2347 7.18 18 5.50 127.7
64 Jared Lorenzen, Kentucky QB SR 12 336 191 56.85 8 2.38 2221 6.61 16 4.76 123.3
72 Brodie Croyle, Alabama QB JR 12 341 182 53.37 13 3.81 2303 6.75 16 4.69 118.0
83 Dondrial Pinkins, South Carolina QB JR 12 322 162 50.31 9 2.80 2127 6.61 10 3.11 110.5
87 Kevin Fant, Mississippi St. QB SR 12 351 186 52.99 21 5.98 2151 6.13 14 3.99 105.7
2003 pass defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Ydscmp Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs Ydspgm CM
18 LSU 14 477 213 44.65 12.16 21 4.40 2590 5.43 12 185.00 0
2003 Pass Efficiency Defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs TD Pct Rating
2 LSU 14 477 213 44.65 21 4.40 2590 5.43 12 2.52 89.81
2009 SEC QB Stats:
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
1 Tim Tebow, Florida QB SR 14 314 213 67.83 5 1.59 2895 9.22 21 6.69 164.17
7 Ryan Mallett, Arkansas QB SO 13 403 225 55.83 7 1.74 3624 8.99 30 7.44 152.46
18 Chris Todd, Auburn QB SR 13 328 198 60.37 6 1.83 2612 7.96 22 6.71 145.73
28 Greg McElroy, Alabama QB JR 14 325 198 60.92 4 1.23 2508 7.72 17 5.23 140.55
36 Jordan Jefferson, LSU QB SO 12 296 182 61.49 7 2.36 2166 7.32 17 5.74 137.18
40 Joe Cox, Georgia QB SR 13 331 185 55.89 15 4.53 2584 7.81 24 7.25 136.33
41 Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee QB SR 13 384 224 58.33 13 3.39 2800 7.29 27 7.03 136.02
72 Jevan Snead, Mississippi QB JR 13 351 191 54.42 20 5.70 2632 7.50 20 5.70 124.81
Not in the nations top 100:
9 Stephen Garcia, QB SCAR 432 239 55.3 2862 6.6 80 17 10 37 119.3
10 Tyson Lee, QB MSST 221 130 58.8 1444 6.5 69 4 14 19 107.0
11 Larry Smith, QB VAN 227 106 46.7 1126 5.0 54 4 7 20 88.0
Kentucky:
Mike Hartline 79 133 802 59.4 6.03 6 7 114.4
Morgan Newton 75 135 706 55.6 5.23 6 3 109.7
2009 pass defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Ydscmp Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs Ydspgm CM
10 Alabama 14 449 210 46.77 11.07 24 5.35 2324 5.18 11 166.00 1
2009 Pass Efficiency Defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs TD Pct Rating
2 Alabama 14 449 210 46.77 24 5.35 2324 5.18 11 2.45 87.67
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
16 Matt Mauck, LSU QB JR 14 358 229 63.97 14 3.91 2825 7.89 28 7.82 148.2
17 Eli Manning, Mississippi QB SR 13 441 275 62.36 10 2.27 3600 8.16 29 6.58 148.1
19 Matt Jones, Arkansas QB JR 13 230 132 57.39 7 3.04 1917 8.33 18 7.83 147.1
36 Casey Clausen, Tennessee QB SR 13 412 233 56.55 9 2.18 2968 7.20 27 6.55 134.3
39 Chris Leak, Florida QB FR 13 320 190 59.38 11 3.44 2435 7.61 16 5.00 132.9
40 Jason Campbell, Auburn QB JR 13 293 181 61.77 8 2.73 2267 7.74 10 3.41 132.6
48 David Greene, Georgia QB JR 14 438 264 60.27 11 2.51 3307 7.55 13 2.97 128.5
53 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt QB SO 12 327 187 57.19 13 3.98 2347 7.18 18 5.50 127.7
64 Jared Lorenzen, Kentucky QB SR 12 336 191 56.85 8 2.38 2221 6.61 16 4.76 123.3
72 Brodie Croyle, Alabama QB JR 12 341 182 53.37 13 3.81 2303 6.75 16 4.69 118.0
83 Dondrial Pinkins, South Carolina QB JR 12 322 162 50.31 9 2.80 2127 6.61 10 3.11 110.5
87 Kevin Fant, Mississippi St. QB SR 12 351 186 52.99 21 5.98 2151 6.13 14 3.99 105.7
2003 pass defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Ydscmp Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs Ydspgm CM
18 LSU 14 477 213 44.65 12.16 21 4.40 2590 5.43 12 185.00 0
2003 Pass Efficiency Defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs TD Pct Rating
2 LSU 14 477 213 44.65 21 4.40 2590 5.43 12 2.52 89.81
2009 SEC QB Stats:
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
1 Tim Tebow, Florida QB SR 14 314 213 67.83 5 1.59 2895 9.22 21 6.69 164.17
7 Ryan Mallett, Arkansas QB SO 13 403 225 55.83 7 1.74 3624 8.99 30 7.44 152.46
18 Chris Todd, Auburn QB SR 13 328 198 60.37 6 1.83 2612 7.96 22 6.71 145.73
28 Greg McElroy, Alabama QB JR 14 325 198 60.92 4 1.23 2508 7.72 17 5.23 140.55
36 Jordan Jefferson, LSU QB SO 12 296 182 61.49 7 2.36 2166 7.32 17 5.74 137.18
40 Joe Cox, Georgia QB SR 13 331 185 55.89 15 4.53 2584 7.81 24 7.25 136.33
41 Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee QB SR 13 384 224 58.33 13 3.39 2800 7.29 27 7.03 136.02
72 Jevan Snead, Mississippi QB JR 13 351 191 54.42 20 5.70 2632 7.50 20 5.70 124.81
Not in the nations top 100:
9 Stephen Garcia, QB SCAR 432 239 55.3 2862 6.6 80 17 10 37 119.3
10 Tyson Lee, QB MSST 221 130 58.8 1444 6.5 69 4 14 19 107.0
11 Larry Smith, QB VAN 227 106 46.7 1126 5.0 54 4 7 20 88.0
Kentucky:
Mike Hartline 79 133 802 59.4 6.03 6 7 114.4
Morgan Newton 75 135 706 55.6 5.23 6 3 109.7
2009 pass defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Ydscmp Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs Ydspgm CM
10 Alabama 14 449 210 46.77 11.07 24 5.35 2324 5.18 11 166.00 1
2009 Pass Efficiency Defense
Rank Name Games Patt Pcomp Papct Int Intpct Yds Ydsatt TDs TD Pct Rating
2 Alabama 14 449 210 46.77 24 5.35 2324 5.18 11 2.45 87.67
Posted on 3/6/11 at 9:51 am to tigger1
umm.. yeah. I posted comparisons a page back.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 10:10 am to Alahunter
Good stuff everyone.
Posted on 3/6/11 at 10:22 am to tidalmouse
I know I am biased a little bit but I have never seen a defense like 2003 LSU you couldnt run on them, you couldnt pass on them, and somebody was coming after your QB every down. I even remember LA Tech QB having a false start trying to get away from Jack Hunt.
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