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re: If Texas A&M was invited to the SEC, would they do better or worse than Arkansas

Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:25 pm to
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Also, A&M has no cheerleaders. No spirit fingers or toe touches.


Never understood why on Earth you chaps think this is a bad thing. High School, you call it.

If needed, I can make a list of Jr. High shite you do... let us know.
Posted by SunHog
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:28 pm to
quote:

Big Kat
If Texas A&M was invited to the SEC, would they do better or worse than Arkansas
Sun, are you listening to yourself? How far is it from Houston to Arkansas? It's 80 MILES TO COLLEGE STATION.

Also, A&M has no cheerleaders. No spirit fingers or toe touches. Just 5 dudes in all whites leading yells. Come to a game in CS. It's pretty fun.

Also, Arkansas does have male cheerleaders



This is hard to explain but I know exactly what I'm talking about. I might have to many thoughts in my head at the moment.
I'm not talking about recruiting Houston kids to TAMU. I'm talking about having a recruiting presence for Arkansas again in Houston.

College Station is ultra far from the SEC.
Fayetteville is much closer.
Little Rock is really close.

This helps recruiting in all of Eastern Texas for Arkansas and LSU rather than anyone else in the league.

Still following me?

Houston isn't what Arkansas wants, but it will help.. It's Dallas where the kids are almost as close to Arkansas as TAMU and want to play in the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/26/11 at 3:05 am
Posted by Big Kat
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:34 pm to
Sao, I love cheerleaders. Have no problem with them. I was simply pointing out that we don't just have a bunch of figs jumping up and down on the sideline.

I'm fine with co-ed cheer squads. People claim we have an all male cheer squad. We dont. We have yell leaders. Anybody who's been to a gane at Kyle knows the difference.

But let's not hijack the thread. When A&M is in the SEC we can argue this every offseason
Posted by Big Kat
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:36 pm to
Sun, A&M and LSU would have the largest presence in Houston as A&M and Arkansas would have the largest presence in Dallas if A&M went to the SEC. Of course if OU comes to the SEC they'll be included in that Dallas recruiting.
Posted by wmr
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:36 pm to
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I was simply pointing out that we don't just have a bunch of figs jumping up and down on the sideline.


By "we" you mean A&M, right?

Because you guys definitely have a bunch of figs jumping up and down on the sideline, and no girls.
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:39 pm to
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Sao, I love cheerleaders. Have no problem with them. I was simply pointing out that we don't just have a bunch of figs jumping up and down on the sideline.


Or being chased by other little homos after the clock hits 0:00, huh?
Posted by Slippery Slope
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:42 pm to
quote:

yell leaders


Sounds gayer than...

quote:

an all male cheer squad

Posted by SunHog
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:43 pm to
quote:

Big Kat
If Texas A&M was invited to the SEC, would they do better or worse than Arkansas
Sun, A&M and LSU would have the largest presence in Houston as A&M and Arkansas would have the largest presence in Dallas if A&M went to the SEC. Of course if OU comes to the SEC they'll be included in that Dallas recruiting.



Correct.

Houston goes like this now... ... Texas, OU, TAMU, LSU, Arkansas.
Houston goes like this if SEC ..... TAMU, LSU, Arkansas
Dallas goes like this now.. ..... Texas, OU, TAMU, Arkansas, LSU
Dallas goes like this if all SEC... ......Arkansas/TAMU, LSU

*That is only if OU is not included*

Did you follow me about road games? A Houston mother will travel 100's of miles father each year to road games in the SEC when they are not at home and her son plays at Alabama rather than Arkansas.

We do NOT want OU in the mix because it hurts dallas. However, at least it puts LSU and Arkansas geographically in the middle of the SEC instead of the western fringe, that is a good thing for recruiting momma's. The games will be close in the middle than the fringe.

Having more kids in Dallas and Houston grow up partial SEC instead of all Big12 is good for Arkansas, LSU and TAMU.


This post was edited on 7/26/11 at 3:01 am
Posted by Big Kat
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 11:57 pm to
Still not following your logic on travel. Houston isn't moving. Momma Houston can have 7 games in CS and road game to either LSU or Arkansas (if series was split to alternate years) for 8 games to watch with 7 being only 80 miles away.

Or have 7 games in Arkansas (over 400 miles away right? I didn't look) with 1 or 2 road games at CS or BR

It's late so I'm not claiming to be right. But I'm not seeing where it's better for a Houston athletes family.

It's always said it's not preferential to be on the border on the conference so I think LSU gets the best out of this scenario of the other SEC schools
Posted by c on z
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 12:02 am to
Posted by SunHog
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 12:13 am to
quote:

Big Kat
If Texas A&M was invited to the SEC, would they do better or worse than Arkansas
Still not following your logic on travel. Houston isn't moving. Momma Houston can have 7 games in CS and road game to either LSU or Arkansas (if series was split to alternate years) for 8 games to watch with 7 being only 80 miles away.

Or have 7 games in Arkansas (over 400 miles away right? I didn't look) with 1 or 2 road games at CS or BR

It's late so I'm not claiming to be right. But I'm not seeing where it's better for a Houston athletes family.

It's always said it's not preferential to be on the border on the conference so I think LSU gets the best out of this scenario of the other SEC schools



It's better for ARKANSAS in Houston with TAMU in the SEC. Otherwise, right now it doesn't matter much. The current Houston kids are growing up mostly Big12 and is Dallas not SEC. If that changes is where the big benefit comes to play.

Right now Houston goes to LSU, TAMU, Texas, OU and OSU because of the Big 12 and Ark is no longer in the SWC. We reopen that pipeline if TAMU goes to the SEC and hurdle a couple of teams especially now with the 25 singing limit.

It's only 10:10 p.m. out here and I'm exhausted from the day. I'll try to break down the driving deal tomorrow if time permits. It's one of those hard to explain over a message board. Heck, people have a hard time reading text messages correctly.

Arkansas and LSU benefit big time from an expanded Westward SEC.
All that talent in East Texas comes into play along with Louisiana and Mississippi. That puts Arkansas and LSU right in the middle of it and OU and Texas A&M on the outside especially with the new 25 limit on signing kids.

Arkansas would like having kids on every side of the state playing in the SEC.
Posted by wmr
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 12:30 am to
A&M generally believes that being in the SEC will help them recruit against Texas. That might be true, but the flipside is more SEC exposure means more Texas recruits going to SEC programs, several of which are more attractive than A&M.

The recruiting angle is a wash for A&M IMO.

It wouldn't be if A&M weren't perceived as being the uptight, white, conservative, pseudo-military school of Texas.

A&M's weird culture hurts them vs Texas more than anything else.
Posted by Jon Ham
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 12:56 am to
I like A&M as our perennial OOC opponent in the Southwest Classic. They're good enough to make it exciting and give us exposure, but we can still expect a win most years. Plus we need all the exposure we can get in Texas.

I want the SEC to stay with 12 teams, but if it must expand then A&M is an acceptable option.
Posted by MaroonDontRun
Richmond, Texas
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 1:09 am to
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A&M's weird culture hurts them vs Texas more than anything else.


We did very well recruiting against tu and R-Kansas prior to our decision makers not keeping up in the facilities war. This in concert with MAC 3 changing recruiting by going after kids very early and hiring Fran has cost us 10+ years. We now have facilities comparable to most top programs (continuing to improve), a very aggressive AD and a seemingly very good coaching staff so the future looks bright (currently ranked 4th in recruiting rankings for what that is worth).

Back to the original quote, A&M's weird culture, as you call it, allows us to have one of the highest levels of esprit de corps among any alumni group. Those of you that haven't experienced this 2nd hand should ask an Aggie what they appreciate most about their school and I am betting that quite frequently the answer to would have to do with our kinship with fellow former students.

I'd rather be an Aggie!

I look forward to the day when we can play both Ark and lsu every year.
Posted by Hook Em Horns
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 1:15 am to
Posted by SofaKingTrill
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 1:32 am to
I dont understand this Houston family driving logic either. It will be just as far from houston every away game whether their son lives in fayetville or not. Yet when their son has a home game, it will be considerably shorter.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 2:40 am to
quote:

SofaKingTrill
If Texas A&M was invited to the SEC, would they do better or worse than Arkansas
I dont understand this Houston family driving logic either. It will be just as far from houston every away game whether their son lives in fayetville or not. Yet when their son has a home game, it will be considerably shorter.



We had been talking about Houston and how it would help Arkansas if Texas A&M was in the SEC.

Arkansas being the 3rd closest SEC school to Houston would be a big boost in recruiting. It would be much easier for Momma to drive from Houston to Arkansas over Ole Miss, MSU, Vanderbilt, Alabama or Auburn for example.

Arkansas would like having this southeast part of Texas cornered. The real traget for Arkansas is Northeast Texas. Add with all the scholarship limits at 25 and that leaves a lot of kids in Houston metro to choose from.

Also, as has been discussed by myself and other posters, TAMU has an imagine that is somewhat weird and that would help Arkansas and LSU.

It's been one of those days at work and my eyes hurt from the computer. To many thoughts and the execution of what I was thinking wasn't laid out properly. I did decide to try and clear it up now before bed. Hopefully, I didn't make it worse, ha. This is what happens when you have to many thoughts and replying back on 2 different messages boards threads things can get murky. I tried to edit my posts and I'm sure it will make sense to you now.

Literally way to many threads today on Hogville and TD.

P.S. I forgot about Ark-TAMU having the Series in Dallas for another 7 years at this moment. I'm sure the game would be kept in Jerry world like Florida-UGA or Texas-OU if this all shakes down.
This post was edited on 7/26/11 at 3:11 am
Posted by SunHog
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 3:34 am to
CBSsports.com - July 25th, 2011

"If we have an unequal playing field for various schools, that we think is a problem," Loftin said. "That creates uncertainty."

That statement creates irony, seeing how Texas A&M was more than happy to create an unequal playing field -- in its favor -- last summer when it flirted with the SEC before deciding to stay in the Big 12 as long as it received more TV revenue than 70 percent of its league partners. That's a true story, you know. The Aggies, like Texas and Oklahoma, will receive $20 million a year from the conference's television contract with Fox while the rest of the league (Missouri, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Baylor) gets something between $14 million and $17 million each."



Oh, this just got so much better!
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 6:18 am to
It's ironic that A&M would stay in the Big XII when it's advantageous to A&M but when it's not advantageous to us? The Big XII will never be stable with unequal revenue sharing but in the short term A&M was ok with that as long as we weren't getting the short end of that stick.

That's the allure of the SEC to the A&M admins. Stability.
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 6:21 am to
quote:

The recruiting angle is a wash for A&M IMO.

It wouldn't be if A&M weren't perceived as being the uptight, white, conservative, pseudo-military school of Texas.

A&M's weird culture hurts them vs Texas more than anything else.


This statement is ignorant and incorrect. Congratulations.
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