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re: If Christian McCaffrey doesn't win the Heisman, then we need to..
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:47 am to bmy
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:47 am to bmy
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Henrys ypc will be the lowest Heisman winning RB (if he wins the Heisman) since Eddie George in 1995. Frankly.. Ingram was the better back.
You put so much emphasis on ypc when anyone who watched a Bama game realizes how Henry was able to systematically close out games by wearing down defenses by getting 5 or 6 yards a pop, while everyone in the whole stadium knows he is getting the ball.
You can't seem to understand that there aren't any other RBs in the nation that can carry the ball 90 times in 2 games and still get 5 yards a pop throughout those 90 carries. One of those games being against one of the best defenses in the land.
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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vs UCS?
Say what?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:55 am to Funky Tide 8
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You put so much emphasis on ypc when anyone who watched a Bama game realizes how Henry was able to systematically close out games by wearing down defenses by getting 5 or 6 yards a pop, while everyone in the whole stadium knows he is getting the ball. You can't seem to understand that there aren't any other RBs in the nation that can carry the ball 90 times in 2 games and still get 5 yards a pop throughout those 90 carries. One of those games being against one of the best defenses in the land.
Cook and LF7 could do the same thing
late in the game Henry runs through some truck sized holes.. as do all good college RBs. Swap LF7 and Henry and LF7 probably rushes for 2.2k yards so far.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:57 am to Grovewater
What about touchdowns and carrying the ball 90 times against our biggest rival and in conference championship
-also people stop saying our oline is so good. Highly inconsistent and the biggest question mark on our team (we know what we have with Coker)
-also people stop saying our oline is so good. Highly inconsistent and the biggest question mark on our team (we know what we have with Coker)
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:01 am to Sneaky__Sally
Fournette has 9 carries on the season while winning by 3 possessions or more.
Cook has 17 carries.
Henry has 60.
I mean c'mon
Cook has 17 carries.
Henry has 60.
I mean c'mon
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:01 am to bmy
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Henry runs through some truck sized holes.
bullshite
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:02 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Why Henry wont be a good back in the NFL
What are you saying here? That he can't catch? That can't run a route?There are many other factors in being a successful pro besides his receiving yards in college.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:03 am to bmy
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Fournette has 9 carries on the season while winning by 3 possessions or more. Henry has 60. I mean c'mon
All this shows is that LSU rarely had a three possession lead. Henry is having an all time great season for a SEC RB and the only thing that gets thrown in his face is YPC. It's all you people have.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:03 am to bmy
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Swap LF7 and Henry and LF7 probably rushes for 2.2k yards so far.
There's that pesky adverb again.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:05 am to bmy
3 possessions as in 17 points or more? Ya keep handing him the rock we are up by 17. Henry also had 9 total carries the week before we played auburn against bullshite U.
He has carried our offense behind a mediocre oline, you can argue someone else who you think someone had a better year but to say Henry doesn't deserve it is just plain stupid. Not that I would expect anything less from this board
He has carried our offense behind a mediocre oline, you can argue someone else who you think someone had a better year but to say Henry doesn't deserve it is just plain stupid. Not that I would expect anything less from this board
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:10 am to Patton
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All this shows is that LSU rarely had a three possession lead. Henry is having an all time great season for a SEC RB and the only thing that gets thrown in his face is YPC. It's all you people have.
When LSU/FSU did have a 3 possession lead LF7 and Cook were on the bench instead of padding his stats against beaten competition.
It's a fact is that YPC is the single defining stat of a RB. I think that's especially true when comparing two "big backs" like Henry and LF7.. LF7 is strictly a better RB. Talk all you want about how Henry carries the offense, etc. That may be true. But it's also true that against similar (if not better) competition.. LF7 put up better stats on a weaker team.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:14 am to Grovewater
You start with a legitimate point and then blow it up into utter dumbass.
As a running back, Henry has more yards, more yards per carry, and more touchdowns. In other words, in EVERY important statistic in determining which running back is helping your team more, Henry wins. Henry IS the better running back, period.
To put McCaffrey over Henry, you have to add in returns, which Henry does not do. So it's not an entirely fair comparison, but it is relevant, so let's consider it. When you add in returns, WHICH BY NATURE RESULT IN MANY MORE YARDS, McCaffrey surges ahead. But at the end of the day, it's about putting points on the board. Henry has 23 touchdowns. McCaffrey, when you add rushing, receiving, punt returns, AND kick returns, has 13. Even if you want to throw in something ridiculous like his trick play passes, you add two more touchdowns. It's nowhere close. And none of this takes into account that Bama played much tougher rushing defenses than Stanford did.
Sorry, your thread is fail. Henry is the better player and deserves the Heisman.
As a running back, Henry has more yards, more yards per carry, and more touchdowns. In other words, in EVERY important statistic in determining which running back is helping your team more, Henry wins. Henry IS the better running back, period.
To put McCaffrey over Henry, you have to add in returns, which Henry does not do. So it's not an entirely fair comparison, but it is relevant, so let's consider it. When you add in returns, WHICH BY NATURE RESULT IN MANY MORE YARDS, McCaffrey surges ahead. But at the end of the day, it's about putting points on the board. Henry has 23 touchdowns. McCaffrey, when you add rushing, receiving, punt returns, AND kick returns, has 13. Even if you want to throw in something ridiculous like his trick play passes, you add two more touchdowns. It's nowhere close. And none of this takes into account that Bama played much tougher rushing defenses than Stanford did.
Sorry, your thread is fail. Henry is the better player and deserves the Heisman.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:22 am to bmy
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When LSU/FSU did have a 3 possession lead LF7 and Cook were on the bench instead of padding his stats against beaten competition.
Henry barely touched the ball against our cream puffs.
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It's a fact is that YPC is the single defining stat of a RB. I think that's especially true when comparing two "big backs" like Henry and LF7.. LF7 is strictly a better RB. Talk all you want about how Henry carries the offense, etc. That may be true. But it's also true that against similar (if not better) competition.. LF7 put up better stats on a weaker team.
no it isn't. It's a convenient tool to use in your justification of a player putting up worse stats in all but one category being better. Also, Henry played much better on big games against good opponents then LF did. LF feasted on shite teams in the beginning of yalls schedule Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:26 am to Patton
McCaffery is a very good utility player and can be utilized in a multitude of ways, but like I said earlier I don't think he would see the field at Bama. Not because he isn't good, but to see the field at Bama you have to have to be a complete player, you have to be able to block. I haven't seen the kid block anyone in the games I watched.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:33 am to Grovewater
Heistman - what's that?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:41 am to bmy
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When LSU/FSU did have a 3 possession lead LF7 and Cook were on the bench instead of padding his stats against beaten competition.
well, l5u was up 41-20 on w.kentucky fournette carried the ball 4 straight in the 4th quarter for 31 of his 150 yards.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:22 pm to Funky Tide 8
Against the 6 common opponents:
Auburn:
LF 19-228 12.0 1-9 rec 237 total
DH 46-271 5.9 271 total
Miss State:
LF 28-159 5.7 159 total
DH 22-204 9.3 204 total
Ole Miss:
LF 25-108 4.3 4-72 rec 180 total
DH 23-127 5.5 5-39 rec 166 total
Arkansas:
LF 19-91 4.8 3-36 rec 127 total
DH 27-95 3.5 95 total
Florida:
LF 31-180 5.8 1-15 rec 195 total
DH 44-189 4.3 189 total
TAMU:
LF 32-159 5.0 4-43 rec 202 total
DH 32-236 7.4 1-18 rec 254 total
TOTALS:
LF 154-925 6.0 13-175 rec 13.5 10TD
DH 194-1122 5.8 7-57 rec 8.1 8TD
**and Perhaps if LF hadn't sat out the last 1.5 qtrs of the auburn game and, instead, padded his stats like Henry, with 46 carries at his game avg of ~12 yds a clip, you could say he'd have ended up with >500 yards. Also- Pretty sure he would've have more than 52 yds against ulm and 68 against Charleston southern as well.
Auburn:
LF 19-228 12.0 1-9 rec 237 total
DH 46-271 5.9 271 total
Miss State:
LF 28-159 5.7 159 total
DH 22-204 9.3 204 total
Ole Miss:
LF 25-108 4.3 4-72 rec 180 total
DH 23-127 5.5 5-39 rec 166 total
Arkansas:
LF 19-91 4.8 3-36 rec 127 total
DH 27-95 3.5 95 total
Florida:
LF 31-180 5.8 1-15 rec 195 total
DH 44-189 4.3 189 total
TAMU:
LF 32-159 5.0 4-43 rec 202 total
DH 32-236 7.4 1-18 rec 254 total
TOTALS:
LF 154-925 6.0 13-175 rec 13.5 10TD
DH 194-1122 5.8 7-57 rec 8.1 8TD
**and Perhaps if LF hadn't sat out the last 1.5 qtrs of the auburn game and, instead, padded his stats like Henry, with 46 carries at his game avg of ~12 yds a clip, you could say he'd have ended up with >500 yards. Also- Pretty sure he would've have more than 52 yds against ulm and 68 against Charleston southern as well.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:24 pm to CheniereTiger108
And fournette also got to play auburn early when they fielded one of the softest most scared to play defenses I have ever seen in the sec.
And Henry would have gotten more than 60 against whoever the duck we played the week before auburn if he didn't get benched in the second quarter
You can go round and round all you want. Should he win it or lose it, Henry is deserving as frick of the heisman.
And Henry would have gotten more than 60 against whoever the duck we played the week before auburn if he didn't get benched in the second quarter
You can go round and round all you want. Should he win it or lose it, Henry is deserving as frick of the heisman.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:25 pm to MontyFranklyn
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McCaffery is a very good utility player and can be utilized in a multitude of ways, but like I said earlier I don't think he would see the field at Bama
It's confirmed Bama fans are the most retarded people on the planet.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:27 pm to Grovewater
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McCaffery is a very good utility player and can be utilized in a multitude of ways, but like I said earlier I don't think he would see the field at Bama
It's confirmed Bama fans are the most retarded people on the planet.
They literally can't see beyond the State line.
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