Grovewater
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re: SEC States Rankings using : Health, Education, Economy, Population Growth
Posted by Grovewater on 3/17/16 at 1:36 pm
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Well, we have the Delta. Take the Delta off that list and Mississippi jumps up in to top or near the top on this particular list. The Delta is predominately African-American. So basically if you make fun of Mississippi you are a racist.
You can't remove the worst part of Mississippi, and then compare it to other states that still have their worst aspects.
By that logic, Texas would be leading every category by a mile if you removed all the illegal Mexicans. They are part of the story though, so you can't do that.
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re: Offseason Academic Rankings
Posted by Grovewater on 3/15/16 at 7:55 pm
Im honestly shocked we're as high as 140. Outside of Accounting, Ole Miss is a junior college with frat houses.
A&M must finally make a decision.
Posted by Grovewater on 3/14/16 at 8:58 pm
Regarding who their new daddy will be. You left the Big 12, and LSU has made you their new bitch on the field of play, but psychologically the Aggie fan base still has the mindset of being Texas' bitch.
Aggies, it's time to pass the torch and formally declare yourself LSU's little brother. I know it's hard after 100 years of burnt orange arse kicking, but your future is 100 years of purple and gold arse kicking.
Aggies, it's time to pass the torch and formally declare yourself LSU's little brother. I know it's hard after 100 years of burnt orange arse kicking, but your future is 100 years of purple and gold arse kicking.
re: Does Texas Throw The Northern Iowa Game To Avoid The Aggies?
Posted by Grovewater on 3/14/16 at 8:38 pm
Reminder: A&M is the only p5 University in the State of Texas who are too big of pussies to play Texas.
re: How would you rank the SEC schools considering academics as well as athletics?
Posted by Grovewater on 3/9/16 at 5:46 pm
Florida
TAMU
UGA
All considered very good public schools.
Alabama
Auburn
Mizzou
Considered very average public schools.
Tennessee
LSU
Arkansas
Kentucky
South Carolina
All considered below average public schools.
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
You would get a better education at your local community college. I can say that with certainty because I am an Ole Miss graduate.
TAMU
UGA
All considered very good public schools.
Alabama
Auburn
Mizzou
Considered very average public schools.
Tennessee
LSU
Arkansas
Kentucky
South Carolina
All considered below average public schools.
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
You would get a better education at your local community college. I can say that with certainty because I am an Ole Miss graduate.
What Tennessee, Penn State, and Florida State all have in common...
Posted by Grovewater on 2/25/16 at 8:39 am
What connects all of them, and what creates an environment in which Athletic Departments/Universities feel they can commit or allow egregious behavior to occur without fear of facing backlash, is the fact that their local media aren't journalists, they are fans who refuse to question anything.
Tennessee, Florida State, and Penn State beat writers, are notorious for being unapologetic fans of the programs they cover, and you cannot objectively cover a team if you are a fan. In all of these cases, no questions were asked, nobody was pressed, and the toxic culture surrounding each school was ignored because the local media was willing to be fed bullshite and never question a single thing. In all such cases, it took national news organizations to uncover the problems that were pervasive and obvious to anyone who wanted to see it.
I understand why coaches would want friendly media, but if you love your school, as a fan you should want objective eyes on your school at all times to keep people honest. Institutions held unchecked are at a higher risk for corruption and embarrassment without it.
Tennessee, Florida State, and Penn State beat writers, are notorious for being unapologetic fans of the programs they cover, and you cannot objectively cover a team if you are a fan. In all of these cases, no questions were asked, nobody was pressed, and the toxic culture surrounding each school was ignored because the local media was willing to be fed bullshite and never question a single thing. In all such cases, it took national news organizations to uncover the problems that were pervasive and obvious to anyone who wanted to see it.
I understand why coaches would want friendly media, but if you love your school, as a fan you should want objective eyes on your school at all times to keep people honest. Institutions held unchecked are at a higher risk for corruption and embarrassment without it.
re: What will the SEC look like next season?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 6:53 pm
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Ole Miss getting the death penalty, LSU shutting down because they poor, Tennessee will voluntarily shutdown because they are sexual assault U, Mizzou may go on strike again if there aren't enough safe spaces.
Will there be enough teams to have a conference championship game?
Even with all of that, still not as bad as that burning shitheap of a Football program over in Austin, Texas.
re: Before we jump to judgement.........
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 6:52 pm
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one too many
"Bowles recounted the events in a sworn affidavit that was filed in federal court in Nashville"
Well, that either means a Head Coach is about to lose his job and the University of Tennessee is about to face severe sanctions, or a young man is going to be charged with perjury.
We will know soon enough.
re: Before we jump to judgement.........
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 6:42 pm
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What planet did you come from?
An overly idealistic one, admittedly.
re: Before we jump to judgement.........
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 6:41 pm
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You can take your presumption of Lyle "Butch" Jones innocence and shove it directly up your racist a-hole.
I don't presume his innocence, in the same way I don't presume his guilt. That's the whole point. None of us know for sure yet, and until these allegations are corroborated, it would be unfair to "presume" either.
Before we jump to judgement.........
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 6:34 pm
The allegations against Butch Jones are damning, and nobody loves watch Tennessee fans squirm more than I, but this allegation is just that, an allegation. As of now it's hearsay evidence to be used in a civil suit. As an American, Butch Jones has a right to due process in the court of law, and we should give him that same benefit of the doubt in the court of public opinion until these allegations can be substantiated.
If they are true, he's a POS, but there's a chance they are not.......so slow down with the reactionary judgement.
If they are true, he's a POS, but there's a chance they are not.......so slow down with the reactionary judgement.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 6:28 pm
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Ingram is an average NFL back
Lacy has been boom or bust
Yeldon has a fantastic rookie year.
But yea, solid narrative.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not attacking Alabama. I think the narrative of "Bama RB's bust" is stupid. I'm just making an evaluation of Henry. I think all of those guys are better than Henry.....Well, Lacy was before he got on the Wisconsin fried cheese and beer diet.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 6:24 pm
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But how the frick could anyone call him "not explosive".. dude was basically a home run hitter. He'll hit you for 3 ypc 30 times a game and then bust off a handful of long runs where he is literally unstoppable.
There's a difference between "speed" and "explosiveness", a guy who runs a 4.53 40 isn't necessarily as "explosive" or "quick twitch" as a guy who maybe runs a 4.6 40. "Explosiveness" is how fast a guy can get to top speed, that's what makes Fournette and Chubb special. They can hit the hole and break through gaps at alarming speeds, Henry doesn't have that. It's how you time in the first 20 yards that matters more than the last 20. In the NFL, where defensive linemen are 3 steps faster than in college, i'm sorry, I don't see Henry having a quick enough burst to be effective at that level. Especially in today's NFL where run comes secondary to pass, and Runningbacks are used as 3-5 yard machines to keep defenses honest.
It's the same reason why Treadwell isn't running the 40, he probably only runs about a 4.65 40, because he doesn't have insane top level speed, but he has insane burst and an extremely short build up time, in addition to being a physical brawler.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 3:07 pm
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Early season Jake Coker was not ready for that.
That's the mind-blowing thing. I would argue that Jacob Coker was still pretty christ awful even at the end of the year, and despite that Saban and Staff STILL found a way to bring home the trophy.
I'v always been the guy during the off-season to question teams without a sure thing at QB, but after these last 2 years, I will never question Saban's ability again.
The man took a team led by BLAKE SIMS, and got the the playoff, and won the whole damn thing this year with a bad JAKE COKER. Unless this Barnett kid ends up being a trainwreck on the same level as Jeremy Johnson, I would pick Bama to roll again to another title in 2016.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 3:00 pm
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Honestly, I think that was Kiffin's worst coaching job of the season. Henry was ripping off runs left and right the 4th quarter, and when we got the ball back down 6 we should have let him run more. Kiffin got cute and Coker threw a pick to seal the game.
I 100% agree. Ironically, I would argue it was Kirby Smart's best Defensive coaching performance despite the number of points given up. If you remember, Henry was shredding us mid/late in the 4th because our Defense was gassed and hanging on for dear life. That was caused by Kirby Smart adjusting his game-plan, and forcing our offense into four straight 3 and outs.
I remember telling my buddies at the bar when we were watching it that if Bama wins, it was because of Kirby Smart. Even if in that scenario he wouldn't have gotten the credit.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 2:52 pm
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Yea, because we handed Ole Miss a 2 score lead right off the bat, our backup QB threw interceptions and we played from behind the entire night.
Henry won us football games when other teams knew they were getting him. He wore people down, he finished them off. I'm sure Kiffin would have found 100 different ways to get McCafferry tons of touches and yards, but without Henry pounding the other team I don't think we would have won all of the rest of our games, no.
I get the argument, and I may be one of the few Ole Miss fans who will acknowledge the self-inflicted mistakes Alabama made, but if you had to describe "turnovers" in terms of a formula, I truly do believe "luck" is less than 30% of the equation. Both of those fumbled returns were from bad field position,forced by Ole Miss, which forced panic/contact. and the interceptions were forced by our defensive line living in Bama's back field all night.
The Adeboyjo catch was a gift from god, but it likely would have been an incomplete pass if it hadn't been caught, and at that point in the game there was no reason to think Bama could have stopped our offense anyways.
Look, you need some luck to beat a Nick Saban coached Championship Alabama team in Bryant Denny, but you also need players making plays. Alabama would have won the 2014 National Championship if not for pure luck by Auburn, but players also made plays at crucial times.
I will acknowledge that luck was involved, but Bama fans trying to blame purely self-inflicted mistakes and "luck" on that loss isn't fair, and it doesn't reward credit to the Ole Miss players, who without the #1 player in CFB on the field, found a way.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 2:44 pm
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Might be part of the problem the media has with him? I will take pity on the original poster as his university has never had a HEISMAN winner
Edited, thank you for pointing that out. Even if it is a proper noun, i'm still in the habit of assuming "I" before "E" :cheers:
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 2:41 pm
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Even if you do think that, Henry's actual performance on the field was very much worthy of the Heisman trophy. Should McCaffery have won instead? Maybe, but the idea that he "didn't deserve it" is asinine. Any opinion to the contrary of that is just being obtuse.
Semantics, but yea you have a point. I should amend my statement to say "Christian McCaffrey was more deserving". Let me ask you objectively, and put down the fan goggles and answer honestly, if you guys had Christian McCaffrey instead of Derek Henry against Ole Miss, would you have won? I say yes.
Derek Henry had impressive numbers in the Ole Miss game, but the vast majority of those numbers game during parts of the game when everybody thought the game was over and Ole Miss had 2nd team in. When the 1st team was in, he wasn't bad, bad he wasn't a real threat. I contend McCaffrey would have destroyed us.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 2:32 pm
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Yea, he should have run for 3,000 yards last season, then maybe he could crack the Top 5.
All jokes aside, I think if you put an uninjured Nick Chubb in the 2015 Alabama offense, 3000 would have been a real possibility. 2500 for sure.
re: Is Derek Henry the least hyped pre-draft Heisman winner in history?
Posted by Grovewater on 2/24/16 at 2:30 pm
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Chubb, Fournette, and Collins ahead of him i'm assuming.
Correct, I think Chubb and Fournette are in an entirely different league, and I think Alex Collins is marginally better.
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