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re: if 16 are teams are inevitable
Posted on 3/29/13 at 4:50 pm to blacknblu
Posted on 3/29/13 at 4:50 pm to blacknblu
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SECNorth
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
SECWest
Arkansas
LSU
Missouri
Texas A&M
SECentral
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St
SECEast
Florida
Georgia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Damn - I like it.
Whoa whoa... Mizzou doesn't make it into the SEC North division? Yankee argument derailed.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 4:53 pm to hogminer
As long as LSU/ole miss is protected I am fine with it. Mainly because I want to play real SEC teams not mizzu Arky and ATM
Posted on 3/29/13 at 4:56 pm to Bamatab
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his is actually the best division that will cause the fewest heartaches for the ADs when they try to divide up the pods. Sure the SECNorth is a bit weaker, but if UT can ever get back to their historic level, and if VT can sustain their level once Beamer is gone, I don't think it is weak enough for the ADs to reject considering the heartaches they will have with other pod alignments.
Well Why wouldnt something like this work though:
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LSU
MSU
Ole Miss
aTm
Bama
AU
Vandy
UT
Arky
Mizzou
Uk
VaTech
Georgia
UF
SC
NC
Where you spoke of Tennessee coming back can the same not be said of Arkansas here

Posted on 3/29/13 at 6:49 pm to McRebel42
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Where you spoke of Tennessee coming back can the same not be said of Arkansas here
Historically UT has been more successful that Arky. Arky had a good run in the late 60s, early 70s, and a couple of good years in the late 80s, but that is about it with the exception of the last 3 Petrino years. But UT has historically been the second best team in the SEC. It wasn't until the end of the Fulmer years that they have actually dropped to the bottom of the conference.
Do get me wrong. With the right coach, Arky can be good. But I have my doubts that they can be at the top of the SEC for a sustained length of time, especially since they have yet to do it.
But with all of that said, I would be ok with your pods also.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 3/29/13 at 7:28 pm to Bamatab
I'll make my pitch for a slightly different pod system:
NW:
Alabama (Tenn)
Auburn (UGA)
Missouri (Arkansas)
MSU (Ole Miss)
SW:
LSU (Florida)
A&M (Va Tech)
Arkansas (Missouri)
Ole Miss (MSU)
NE:
Tennessee (Alabama)
Va Tech (A&M)
NC (USC)
Vanderbilt (KY)
SE:
Florida (LSU)
UGA (Auburn)
USC (NC)
Kentucky (Vandy)
List of things this does right by school:
1) Alabama - winnable division, keeps annual games with Auburn and Tennessee.
2) Auburn - only Bama to beat to win division most years - keeps annual games with UGA and Alabama
3) Missouri - gets out of division rivalry game with Arkansas. They should be able to compete if they recruit Missouri, Mississippi, and Alabama.
4) MSU - keeps rivalry with Ole Miss and keeps Alabama on the schedule (Ole Miss, Alabama, and LSU are MSU's historically most played opponents)
5) LSU - mostly only A&M to beat to win their division. Keeps their rivalry game with Ole Miss and their out of division matchup with Florida. Relatively new rivalry games against A&M and Arkansas are good even though losing the annual games against Alabama and MSU sucks
6) Texas A&M - winnable division if they beat LSU. Arkansas and LSU are their most natural rivals in the SEC and they keep them. Lining them up to play Va Tech makes tons of sense culturally.
7) Arkansas - keeps LSU and A&M on the schedule. Gets a logical new out of division opponent in Missouri to replace South Carolina.
8) Ole Miss - maintains both most important games on their schedule (LSU and MSU). Playing A&M doesn't hurt them either - as it might allow them to recruit a little more in Texas than they have been able to in the past.
9) Tennessee - This division is custom made to give UT a chance to be a powerhouse again. They keep their rivalry game with Alabama, their little brother in Vanderbilt, and now have a logical inroad into recruiting both Virginia and North Carolina (neither of which has recently had a dominant football program). They lose their games against Florida and UGA on an annual basis but trade this for opportunity.
10) Va Tech - They get an out of division rival in A&M that makes sense, a neighbor in North Carolina that they should benefit from (recruiting) and become the SEC program of the greater Washington D.C. area.
11) North Carolina - they become the SEC program of North Carolina and get a logical neighbor/rival as a permanent out of division opponent in South Carolina.
12) Vanderbilt - stay in the division with UT, get Kentucky as an out of division rival, and can now recruit North Carolina and Virginia as the best academic program in the best athletic conference in the nation.
13) Florida - get to keep their regular games against UGA, USC, and LSU (losing only Tenn as a permanent opponent). They have to beat UGA most years to win the division.
14) UGA - keeps their regular games against Fla, USC, Auburn and only have to beat Fla many years to win the division. Like Florida, they might like to keep Tennessee on their schedule every year but that's just not possible to arrange in a 16 team SEC.
15) USC - keeps UGA and Florida on their schedule and gets a compelling new out of division opponent in North Carolina. Their ability to recruit Florida, UGA, South Carolina, and North Carolina puts them in a position to compete with anyone.
16) Kentucky - in a fantastic division with traditional SEC teams plus Vandy as an out of division opponent.
NW:
Alabama (Tenn)
Auburn (UGA)
Missouri (Arkansas)
MSU (Ole Miss)
SW:
LSU (Florida)
A&M (Va Tech)
Arkansas (Missouri)
Ole Miss (MSU)
NE:
Tennessee (Alabama)
Va Tech (A&M)
NC (USC)
Vanderbilt (KY)
SE:
Florida (LSU)
UGA (Auburn)
USC (NC)
Kentucky (Vandy)
List of things this does right by school:
1) Alabama - winnable division, keeps annual games with Auburn and Tennessee.
2) Auburn - only Bama to beat to win division most years - keeps annual games with UGA and Alabama
3) Missouri - gets out of division rivalry game with Arkansas. They should be able to compete if they recruit Missouri, Mississippi, and Alabama.
4) MSU - keeps rivalry with Ole Miss and keeps Alabama on the schedule (Ole Miss, Alabama, and LSU are MSU's historically most played opponents)
5) LSU - mostly only A&M to beat to win their division. Keeps their rivalry game with Ole Miss and their out of division matchup with Florida. Relatively new rivalry games against A&M and Arkansas are good even though losing the annual games against Alabama and MSU sucks
6) Texas A&M - winnable division if they beat LSU. Arkansas and LSU are their most natural rivals in the SEC and they keep them. Lining them up to play Va Tech makes tons of sense culturally.
7) Arkansas - keeps LSU and A&M on the schedule. Gets a logical new out of division opponent in Missouri to replace South Carolina.
8) Ole Miss - maintains both most important games on their schedule (LSU and MSU). Playing A&M doesn't hurt them either - as it might allow them to recruit a little more in Texas than they have been able to in the past.
9) Tennessee - This division is custom made to give UT a chance to be a powerhouse again. They keep their rivalry game with Alabama, their little brother in Vanderbilt, and now have a logical inroad into recruiting both Virginia and North Carolina (neither of which has recently had a dominant football program). They lose their games against Florida and UGA on an annual basis but trade this for opportunity.
10) Va Tech - They get an out of division rival in A&M that makes sense, a neighbor in North Carolina that they should benefit from (recruiting) and become the SEC program of the greater Washington D.C. area.
11) North Carolina - they become the SEC program of North Carolina and get a logical neighbor/rival as a permanent out of division opponent in South Carolina.
12) Vanderbilt - stay in the division with UT, get Kentucky as an out of division rival, and can now recruit North Carolina and Virginia as the best academic program in the best athletic conference in the nation.
13) Florida - get to keep their regular games against UGA, USC, and LSU (losing only Tenn as a permanent opponent). They have to beat UGA most years to win the division.
14) UGA - keeps their regular games against Fla, USC, Auburn and only have to beat Fla many years to win the division. Like Florida, they might like to keep Tennessee on their schedule every year but that's just not possible to arrange in a 16 team SEC.
15) USC - keeps UGA and Florida on their schedule and gets a compelling new out of division opponent in North Carolina. Their ability to recruit Florida, UGA, South Carolina, and North Carolina puts them in a position to compete with anyone.
16) Kentucky - in a fantastic division with traditional SEC teams plus Vandy as an out of division opponent.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:06 pm to molsusports
First I like it but then I read this
And I say frick that if UT can have a custom built pod to get themselves better I want that instead
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
That's our pod you other frickers handle yourselves.
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This division is custom made to give UT a chance to be a powerhouse again.
And I say frick that if UT can have a custom built pod to get themselves better I want that instead
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
That's our pod you other frickers handle yourselves.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:34 pm to McRebel42
yeah, I feel you
But my pod divides up the big six into four different divisions and then plugs in Va Tech and Texas A&M into the two divisions with only one big six member
Plus, it spreads out the four worst football programs (MSU, Ole Miss, KY, and Vandy) into four different divisions (and matches up everyone with an out of division opponent of pretty near equal quality to even out schedule difficulty)
But my pod divides up the big six into four different divisions and then plugs in Va Tech and Texas A&M into the two divisions with only one big six member
Plus, it spreads out the four worst football programs (MSU, Ole Miss, KY, and Vandy) into four different divisions (and matches up everyone with an out of division opponent of pretty near equal quality to even out schedule difficulty)
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:46 pm to molsusports
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Plus, it spreads out the four worst football programs (MSU, Ole Miss, KY, and Vandy) into four different divisions
Actually it doesn't spread out the 4 worst football programs. Ole Miss has historically been a far better program than Mizzou. Before Pinkel got there, Mizzou was basically the Kentucky of the Big 8 & Big 12.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:52 pm to Bamatab
I see no problems with this pod:
UF
UK
MSU
VU

UF
UK
MSU
VU

Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:53 pm to Bamatab
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Actually it doesn't spread out the 4 worst football programs. Ole Miss has historically been a far better program than Mizzou. Before Pinkel got there, Mizzou was basically the Kentucky of the Big 8 & Big 12.
well historically South Carolina is probably the worst program in teh SEC, but that's not what we're talking about IMO
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:05 pm to molsusports
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but that's not what we're talking about
What I'm talking about is the 4 teams with the least likely chance of being good. I think Ole Miss has a better chance of being decent than Mizzou does over the long haul (mainly due to Mizzou's lack of recruiting grounds).
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:06 pm to Bamatab
i disagree but.. whether or not you are right Missouri being in one division and Arkansas being in the other matches up to Ole Miss/MSU in the same divisions in my scenario
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:23 pm to molsusports
Your pods are very similar to the ones I suggested a few pages back. Only major difference is that I separated UF and UGA so that each pod gets one of Alabama, LSU, UF, UGA.
UF and UGA could be permanent cross pod opponents (assuming that sort of thing is implemented).
UF and UGA could be permanent cross pod opponents (assuming that sort of thing is implemented).
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:38 pm to noladan
I liked your pods generally but you can't really have UF/UGA playing each other as fixed opponents without ruining the regular UGA/Auburn and UF/LSU games
That, plus geography is why I think UF and UGA belong in the same division (preferably in teh same place as USC since I think the USC/UGA and USC/UF games are also of significant interest)
That, plus geography is why I think UF and UGA belong in the same division (preferably in teh same place as USC since I think the USC/UGA and USC/UF games are also of significant interest)
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:43 pm to Hogules68
Solved it. All it took was some Yankee ingenuity.
(C-D Rivalry)
Appalachian
UNC (Kentucky)
USC (Georgia)
VaTech (aTm)
Tennessee (Vandy)
Delta
Kentucky (UNC)
LSU (Arky)
Alabama (Auburn)
Ole Miss (MS State)
Ozark
aTm (VaTech)
Mizzou (Florida)
Arkansas (LSU)
Vandy (Tennessee)
Gulf
Florida (Mizzou)
Georgia (USC)
Auburn (Alabama)
MS State (Ole Miss)

(C-D Rivalry)
Appalachian
UNC (Kentucky)
USC (Georgia)
VaTech (aTm)
Tennessee (Vandy)
Delta
Kentucky (UNC)
LSU (Arky)
Alabama (Auburn)
Ole Miss (MS State)
Ozark
aTm (VaTech)
Mizzou (Florida)
Arkansas (LSU)
Vandy (Tennessee)
Gulf
Florida (Mizzou)
Georgia (USC)
Auburn (Alabama)
MS State (Ole Miss)
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:48 pm to Cpt. Tiger
quote:
Appalachian
UNC
USC
VaTech
UK
Delta
Vandy
MS State
LSU
Alabama
Ozark
aTm
Mizzou
Arkansas
Tennessee
Gulf
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
Ole Miss
looking at your proposal I'm left with the impression you don't understand the top few rivalries of interest for each team or the importance of spreading out the strongest and the weakest programs evenly throughout four pods
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:50 pm to molsusports
Damn, forgot about UGA -Auburn. That would be a problem I guess. Alabama, Auburn and UGA each have 2 protected games making this tough to balance equitably.
As for LSU vs UF, that's a great game, but it doesn't 100% need to be protected. Honestly neither do any of S Carolina's games. S Carolina vs UGA is important but not every big game can be kept IMO...... S Carolina vs N Carolina could turn into a big game over time.
As for LSU vs UF, that's a great game, but it doesn't 100% need to be protected. Honestly neither do any of S Carolina's games. S Carolina vs UGA is important but not every big game can be kept IMO...... S Carolina vs N Carolina could turn into a big game over time.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:50 pm to molsusports
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looking at your proposal I'm left with the impression you don't understand the top few rivalries of interest for each team or the importance of spreading out the strongest and the weakest programs evenly throughout four pods
It could include 2 cross divisional rivalries. 9 conference games.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:58 pm to noladan
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S Carolina vs N Carolina could turn into a big game over time.
I like that idea too. which is why I think they should be permanent out of division opponents if you keep USC with UGA and UF
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