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Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:13 am to LC412000
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It's designed for a team that is inept up front,it's a misdirection offense which is used to overcome a lack of o-line talent.
Its called leveling the playing field. Not everyone is able to recruit monsters in the trenches like Bama and LSU.
In basketball you don't see a team full of talented guards try to pound it inside. They use their quickness and skill to create better match-ups. The same can be said for any sport; including football.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:15 am to Nissanmaxima
I cannot stand Oregon for many reasons but that's a different story.
Having lived through the spread, I didn't like it even when we were winning with it. I think it's Mickey Mouse and stupid looking. Meercat offenses are ridiculous. I understand why Oregon runs it but at UF it was painful to live through. I knew it wouldn't be successful long in the SEC because your QB takes suck a pounding. Even little ole UK gave Tim a concussion. Tough QBs that can run and pass are so rare it's just hard to keep the spread going for long.
Having lived through the spread, I didn't like it even when we were winning with it. I think it's Mickey Mouse and stupid looking. Meercat offenses are ridiculous. I understand why Oregon runs it but at UF it was painful to live through. I knew it wouldn't be successful long in the SEC because your QB takes suck a pounding. Even little ole UK gave Tim a concussion. Tough QBs that can run and pass are so rare it's just hard to keep the spread going for long.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:33 am to VADawg
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With Oregon, I look at it like the NCAA basketball tournament. They will keep putting out good teams that'll be deep in the national title hunt and eventually they will get the right breaks and the right matchup to win one. Just not in the next two seasons.
They better do it soon. Oregon is going to end up on probation before too long.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:35 am to Legend13
Saban is a dick wad, don't agree with him.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:37 am to roadGator
The whole point of the read-option spread attack with a running QB (Tebow, Mariota, etc) is it gives the O an extra blocker and numbers advantage. What Saban has done to counteract that with the 3-4 is recruit huge, mobile NTs & DEs. It now takes the offenses 5 OL to block Bama's 3 DL, thus flipping the numbers advantage back to the D.
This Duck team is the best of the recent ones, but the USCe, LSU & Bama D-lines take the numbers advantages away from Oregon.
This Duck team is the best of the recent ones, but the USCe, LSU & Bama D-lines take the numbers advantages away from Oregon.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:38 am to LC412000
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Ah you guys are bent out of shape because I agree with Coach Saban
No, it was dumb as shite when he said it, you're just confirming the stupidity of it.
This post was edited on 10/19/12 at 8:39 am
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:40 am to GFunk
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You don't like it, stop them.
just like LSU did last year. it is that simple. Line up hit them and try to stop them. Remember they are playing against teams that do not have the quality of atheletes that the big sec schools have. I do think that their defense is what could put them over the top this year.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:41 am to SoFla Tideroller
No shite. I like how you left off UF too. Consistent.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:51 am to LC412000
I think the up tempo no huddle offense is bush league football. You need no well thought out offensive plan, you just run to the line as fast as you can and run one of the 5 plays in your playbook as quickly as possible hoping to catch a defender not in his position yet because you ran so fast. It's lazy coaching. The most important part of the coaching process for it is conditioning.
Football is about more than just conditioning. It was designed to emulate war in the sense that on every play, each side formulates a strategy against the other and then they meet in the middle and execute. There is no strategizing when you are just running a blitzkrieg offense comprised of very few plays.
I have no problem with a team throwing in a no huddle drive at some point during a game for the purpose of catching the defense off guard. There is strategizing involved there. No huddle for the purposes of beating a short clock is a no brainer. But just to run the no huddle hurry up all the time as your main offensive strategy is lazy, bush league coaching. It's something teams have to do when they either have a subpar offensive coordinator, subpar players, or both.
I'll be glad when the fad is over.
Football is about more than just conditioning. It was designed to emulate war in the sense that on every play, each side formulates a strategy against the other and then they meet in the middle and execute. There is no strategizing when you are just running a blitzkrieg offense comprised of very few plays.
I have no problem with a team throwing in a no huddle drive at some point during a game for the purpose of catching the defense off guard. There is strategizing involved there. No huddle for the purposes of beating a short clock is a no brainer. But just to run the no huddle hurry up all the time as your main offensive strategy is lazy, bush league coaching. It's something teams have to do when they either have a subpar offensive coordinator, subpar players, or both.
I'll be glad when the fad is over.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:53 am to roadGator
I'm still not a believer that Floyd & co. up front can't be pushed around by an offense that has some viable passing attack*.
*So don't come back with "yeah, but LSU two weeks ago!"
*So don't come back with "yeah, but LSU two weeks ago!"
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:59 am to SoFla Tideroller
I'm just impressed that you didn't find a way to shite on UF somehow.
It's not really a UF thread so trust me, I do not believe you've changed.
We took care of UT and they can pass. Flame on. You now have two targets to pick from, UT and UF.
It's not really a UF thread so trust me, I do not believe you've changed.
We took care of UT and they can pass. Flame on. You now have two targets to pick from, UT and UF.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 8:59 am to ThaKaptin
Comparing football to war is dumb but I'll use your own comparison. In war both sides to what it takes to win. In football Oregon does what it takes to win. That means using the no huddle for them. I would say that they have mastered the strategic part of football by finding something that works.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 9:23 am to LittleRockHog501
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Comparing football to war is dumb but I'll use your own comparison. In war both sides to what it takes to win. In football Oregon does what it takes to win. That means using the no huddle for them. I would say that they have mastered the strategic part of football by finding something that works.
You can say its a dumb comparison if you would like but you would be wrong because when football was invented, one of the ideas behind it was to emulate war in a competitive sport. That's fact whether you choose to believe it or not.
And saying that using a blitzkrieg offense is mastering strategy is ignorant. The Germans used it in World War 2, and it worked well for them for the first 2 years of the war, and then you saw what it did for them after everyone got used to it.
College football is getting used to it and defensive minded coaches such as Saban and Miles know how to beat it. It wont be long until so will every one else. When that time comes, and I cant wait for it to get here, you will see less and less of it at the BCS level.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 9:27 am to ThaKaptin
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ThaKaptin
I bet you never even played the game of football before. Some schools like Oregon do that to make up for talent, take for instance my high school team we ran no huddle because we didn't have the amountr of talent as other schools and we made it to the state championship. Not every school can recruit 5 star players like Bama ffs.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 9:30 am to Gcockboi
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I bet you never even played the game of football before. Some schools like Oregon do that to make up for talent, take for instance my high school team we ran no huddle because we didn't have the amountr of talent as other schools and we made it to the state championship. Not every school can recruit 5 star players like Bama ffs.
You obviously didnt read my first post where I specifically said that it is used when a team has either a subpar OC, subpar players, or both.
And you are right, I didnt play football, I played basketball. Your point is stupid.
This post was edited on 10/19/12 at 9:33 am
Posted on 10/19/12 at 9:32 am to ThaKaptin
My bad I didn't see that post
Posted on 10/19/12 at 9:44 am to ThaKaptin
Europeans would line up across open fileds and shoot each other. When they tried doing that in the revolutionary war against the colonists who used guerrilla warefare they lost.
The spread is bigger than ever and to say it's just some fad that any old defensive minded coach can master and defeat is dumb. Sometimes you just lose to better teams it doesn't mean you will forever lose to tla team in the same conference with a similar style of play.
The spread is bigger than ever and to say it's just some fad that any old defensive minded coach can master and defeat is dumb. Sometimes you just lose to better teams it doesn't mean you will forever lose to tla team in the same conference with a similar style of play.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 9:47 am to LC412000
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Coach Saban
Coach Saban, instead of just Saban is cracking me up.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 10:46 am to Smoke7024
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Coach Saban, instead of just Saban is cracking me up.
It's a respect thing. Much like you will very rarely hear me refer to Coach Bryant as Bear Bryant. He is Coach Bryant. I have respect for Coach Saban because I think he is not only a good coach but also a good disciplinarian and I think he has done a LOT for this sport.
I dont have that same respect for some other coaches, but others I do.
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