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re: I have a feeling Auburn is going to be good this year!
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:07 pm to Weagle25
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:07 pm to Weagle25
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So your argument is that the type of classes Bama and UGA have been pulling in under Saban/Kirby are the same as the classes Malzahn brought in?
They were close. A number three ranked class and a number six ranked class are very close. And a record number one class doesn’t guarantee success. Ask Texas A&M fans. What did Freeze’ best Ole Miss class get him? Not any type of championship. You need to recruit talent no doubt. But you need to fill out a full roster. It is more about recruits filling holes and providing a complete roster than amassing a top score once you have a top 10 class. And of course developing players.
Is there a difference between the #1 class and the #10 class? Yes.
But the right number ten class that fills a teams needs will be better than a #1 class of all skill players that just stacks depth. Especially in this transfer portal era.
Gus consistently had top ten talent, bordering on top 5.. That should have translated to the field. It didn’t many years. Even with top ten roster talent Gus was on average an 8-4 coach. So you fired him and hired a guy that does the exact same thing. And prostitutes and all that.
Freeze had a top 20 roster in terms of talent last year. That should have been enough to have a winning record if he is a good coach. But it wasn’t.
So as much as I just dogged Gus, I think he is a better game day coach than Freeze.
I do not believe Freeze is your answer. Maybe I am wrong. We will see.
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Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:14 pm to captdalton
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Gus consistently had top ten talent, bordering on top 5.. That should have translated to the field.
You have no clue how Gus recruited. He had major holes in recruiting because word got out on his offense. Yeah he could recruit RB, Dline, and nickelbacks, but his holes at OL and QB did him in.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:20 pm to captdalton
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Once you have a top ten class it is all about player development.
There is a massive gulf between top 10-12 classes and top 3-5 classes and everyone, especially SEC fans, understands that reality.
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Auburn consistently does less with more than any other SEC school.
We've squandered plenty of late. But Auburn is a second school in a poor, small state with rivals that are blue blood (Alabama) and the biggest school in a much bigger, wealthier state (Georgia). Other schools we battle with are the flagships of Florida, Tennessee and Louisiana.
We've easily got the hardest innate path of any Big 6 team.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:21 pm to jangalang
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He had major holes in recruiting because word got out on his offense
So you confirm my whole point.
Recruiting rank doesn’t matter as much as recruiting class fit. Thank you.
No serious coach is losing sleep over where his recruiting class ranks. They are losing sleep if they have a hole at a position.
And again, you have to develop the recruits.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:25 pm to Pettifogger
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We've easily got the hardest innate path of any Big 6 team.
I agree with this sentiment. Auburn has two hurdles that are always in front of them.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:29 pm to Pettifogger
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Gus consistently had top ten talent, bordering on top 5.. That should have translated to the field.
8 of the top 9 recruiting classes in the whole country currently occupied by the SEC.
Oklahoma is currently 9th in the nation yet "less" than half of the SEC. 9th is nothing to sneeze about but that's rough to think about where they are amongst their conference peers.
There is no doing less with more argument.
This post was edited on 8/25/24 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:31 pm to jangalang
I like bourbon too.
This post was edited on 8/25/24 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:31 pm to borotiger
what?
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:32 pm to borotiger
Finally, a post in this thread that’s worth responding to.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:36 pm to captdalton
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They were close
They weren’t. There was a huge difference in Gus’ classes and Saban/Kirby.
Freeze’s class this year looks like it will be significantly better than Gus’ best class. Hence the excitement.
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What did Freeze’ best Ole Miss class get him?
His best class was his last one so he really didn’t get anytime with it.
But also going 10-3 at Ole Miss and winning the Sugar Bowl is not nothing. He had one class on Gus’ level. Two below Gus level and one (his last one) slightly better than Gus level.
Don’t really know what happened his last season. Went 5-7 but beat Texas A&M and UGA.
If he keeps recruiting like he is right now, he’ll have much more talent than he had at OM.
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But you need to fill out a full roster. It is more about recruits filling holes and providing a complete roster than amassing a top score once you have a top 10 class. And of course developing players.
Freeze’s classes are more balanced than Gus’
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Freeze had a top 20 roster in terms of talent last year. That should have been enough to have a winning record if he is a good coach. But it wasn’t.
You say winning isn’t all about recruiting scores then you cite recruiting scores for why Freeze should’ve won more? Seems to be a contradiction.
Having a shitty QB/Oline/WR doesnt help you win, no matter how much talent you have elsewhere.
I’m not saying Freeze is going succeed. But I don’t know why people are so confused at Auburn fans being excited about a guy bringing in what looks like will be our best class of all time.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:36 pm to lastfan
It is exhilarating listening to Dalton explain Auburn recruiting. Are you not enthused?
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:41 pm to jangalang
To be honest, while I love watching CFB, my passion for discussing it in detail has waned over the years. Then there’s the dynamic of this site, where most people write crap just to flame rather than have an intellectually honest discussion.
So, that being said, please pass me the bourbon.
So, that being said, please pass me the bourbon.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:41 pm to captdalton
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Recruiting rank doesn’t matter as much as recruiting class fit. Thank you. No serious coach is losing sleep over where his recruiting class ranks. They are losing sleep if they have a hole at a position.
So what are the holes in Freeze’s classes?
You seem to forget your own overall argument. No one is arguing about recruiting class fit being more important than overall rank. Or that you don’t need to develop players.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:43 pm to Weagle25
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So your argument is that the type of classes Bama and UGA have been pulling in under Saban/Kirby are the same as the classes Malzahn brought in?
Yes, pretty close. You get to a point where it is more about fit than score.
Per on3 how many of Gus’ classes were within 5 places of Alabama’s in a given year? And how many of Gus’ were top 4 in the SEC?
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:44 pm to Weagle25
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So what are the holes in Freeze’s classes?
Payton Thorne is Auburn’s starting quarterback. I will start there.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:46 pm to jangalang
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:46 pm to Weagle25
Why do you care what privatedalton says? Just stop.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:52 pm to captdalton
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Per on3 how many of Gus’ classes were within 5 places of Alabama’s in a given year? And how many of Gus’ were top 4 in the SEC?
Those 5 places are pretty significantly far apart and you're kidding yourself if you say otherwise.
In 2020 Gus finished 7th, 0 five stars, 15 four stars.
In 2020 Saban finished second, 4 five stars, 17 four stars.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:52 pm to borotiger
One would think that as outnumbered as I am here I would have had to retreat by now.
But Auburn just isn’t very good in the trenches.
But Auburn just isn’t very good in the trenches.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:54 pm to captdalton
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Yes, pretty close. You get to a point where it is more about fit than score.
Now you’re responding to the same post twice
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Per on3 how many of Gus’ classes were within 5 places of Alabama’s in a given year? And how many of Gus’ were top 4 in the SEC?
There’s significant score differences in the classes Saban/Kirby were bringing in than the 5-10 classes in those years.
If you can’t see the difference then you’re just blind.
Just take Gus’ highest rated class. 2014. Ranked 6.
Had a score of 277. Alabama was 42 points better than that. Alabama had 6 five stars and 16 4 stars. Auburn had 2 five stars and 11 4 stars.
You’re getting caught up on what the recruiting class is ranked even though your entire argument is the complete opposite
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