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re: I guess it's Mizzou's week coming up. Unflattering OTL out
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:48 pm to the808bass
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:48 pm to the808bass
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I can guarantee legal and the President's office read and/or contributed to the response before it went out. CG gone CG.
I tend to agree, which is why is would have been much stronger to respond from inside the president's office. That whole "buck stops here" form of communication.
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:49 pm to Cheese Grits
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I tend to agree, which is why is would have been much stronger to respond from inside the president's office. That whole "buck stops here" form of communication.
No one in the world thinks that but you.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:49 pm to Cheese Grits
Cheese, I think what they're saying is that the withdrawal and signature really don't matter. Her parents planned to take her to Boston for inpatient care. Withdrawing was in her best interest. But it's a minor detail to the story, unless you're trying to make the case that the university was forcing her out to shut her up. But that doesn't fly since her parents were involved in the decision, and the suicide attempt was tied to breaking up with her a few weeks earlier. Withdrawing from the university is just a procedural detail.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:50 pm to the808bass
I think the president should have addressed it. There's two of us.
I haven't read the thread though but I have for folks to walk alone for very long.
I haven't read the thread though but I have for folks to walk alone for very long.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:53 pm to Cheese Grits
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If a person is restricted in such a facility a parent or next of kin would have been the only valid signature. In essence they must step in and be responsible for signing such documents. It is not that the document was signed to meet a MU policy deadline that is the issue, it is that it was signed by someone other than the parents.
Health care facility policy has no bearing on who can sign non-health care facility documents. She could sign a lease on an apartment in a mental health facility and the only time the validity of the signature would ever be brought up is if there was a legal conflict over the contract she signed.
As there is no conflict about her mental ability to understand and sign the document withdrawing her from school her location, mental state, and validity of her signature is of no consequence.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:53 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:I'm a fan of the style of communication where the person addressed responds. I also like the style of communication in which the person whose job it is to communicate does the communicating.
That whole "buck stops here" form of communication.
I also am a fan of the management style where you let the people you hire do the jobs you hired them to do.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:54 pm to roadGator
So the two biggest non Arky trolls of Mizzou disagree with the place from whence communication to ESPN emanated as a point of procedural form. I'll make up a stele with an inscription to commemorate this occasion. BRB
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:54 pm to roadGator
Here is an example of the shitty reporting done by ESPN.
From the ESPN article...
"Feb. 21, 2012: The Columbia (Mo.) Daily Tribune publishes an article about her in which her parents mention she wrote about an alleged sexual assault in her journal. Athletic Director Mike Alden and other athletic administrators receive the article via e-mail."
Then here is the ESPN link to the emails of the Columbia Tribune article.
LINK
NOWHERE in that article does it mention that the attacker was a football player much less any other athlete. Remember, this was found AFTER her death. So it doesn't matter that the AD read this article.
All it says is.. "Menu Courey also wrote in her diary months later that she was sexually assaulted at the end of her freshman year. She did not name the attacker."
From the ESPN article...
"Feb. 21, 2012: The Columbia (Mo.) Daily Tribune publishes an article about her in which her parents mention she wrote about an alleged sexual assault in her journal. Athletic Director Mike Alden and other athletic administrators receive the article via e-mail."
Then here is the ESPN link to the emails of the Columbia Tribune article.
LINK
NOWHERE in that article does it mention that the attacker was a football player much less any other athlete. Remember, this was found AFTER her death. So it doesn't matter that the AD read this article.
All it says is.. "Menu Courey also wrote in her diary months later that she was sexually assaulted at the end of her freshman year. She did not name the attacker."
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:57 pm to Mizzeaux
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She was an adult and they likely didn't have power of attorney. Not knowing all the circumstances that have since come to light, requiring a POA for what was at the time likely seen as a matter of formality would have been overkill.
If she had a PoA it would have established the actual person but at her age she probably did not. If a person has reached maturity and has no capacity to sign documents then in the absence of legal standing the "next of kin" kicks in. In this case her parents would be granted that ability by default - even if she was no longer a minor - and not some person in the AD's office.
If you have a kid in school and they are in a car wreck it will be the next of kin who must sign for decisions, not some person in the AD's office. It states she was on a 3 day involuntary which means only family can sign documents. This is pretty standard stuff and applies even for folks not in sports programs.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:57 pm to the808bass
quote:This is a pretty big PR win for Mizzou. The only people commenting on this story outside of Mizzou fans are commenting about 2 minor details.
So the two biggest non Arky trolls of Mizzou disagree with the place from whence communication to ESPN emanated as a point of procedural form. I'll make up a stele with an inscription to commemorate this occasion. BRB
I guess it's a good idea to have your Communications guy do the communicating. He seems to have set the record straight and now all that's left to do is quibble over the inconsequentials.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:58 pm to TigerMattSTL
Yes it's almost like ESPN saw a tragedy they could sensationalize for monetary gain. Almost.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:59 pm to Cheese Grits
Skillfully dodging any actual relevant point to display a smattering of almost relevant legal knowledge. That's the kind of post we know and love from you, Gritty.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:00 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:How do you know Sasha had no capacity to sign documents?
has no capacity to sign documents
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:03 pm to MIZ_COU
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Yes it's almost like ESPN saw a tragedy they could sensationalize for monetary gain. Almost.
I'd take them more seriously if they actually addressed what I believe to be one of the most serious and unaddressed issues of college sports.
I didn't see any reporting from them on the Dixon story. Nothing approaching this level of detail. And that story was more disturbing from an administrative standpoint, IMO.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:04 pm to MIZ_STL
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has no capacity to sign documents
How do you know Sasha had no capacity to sign documents?
Why is this even important? Her parents were taking her out of school for inpatient treatment. Withdrawal was in her best interest. Unimportant detail to the story. Just sensationalism by espin.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:06 pm to semotruman
It's not. But one time Gritty had to deal with the form. So she's an expert now. Mizzou might could have used her expertise in this situation to keep them from the pitfall of liability inherent in the situation. Lesson learned.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:06 pm to Cheese Grits
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If you have a kid in school and they are in a car wreck it will be the next of kin who must sign for decisions, not some person in the AD's office. It states she was on a 3 day involuntary which means only family can sign documents. This is pretty standard stuff and applies even for folks not in sports programs.
So wait, you think the AD person signed her withdrawal form? Is that's what I'm getting here?
She was presented with the form by an AD staff member and she signed the document. She is not dead so there is no automatic transfer or power of attorney to anyone in the event of an involuntary mental health admittance.
Could you imagine if all you had to do was have your spouse committed and you could legally sign their documents?
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:07 pm to Cheese Grits
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If she had a PoA it would have established the actual person but at her age she probably did not. If a person has reached maturity and has no capacity to sign documents then in the absence of legal standing the "next of kin" kicks in. In this case her parents would be granted that ability by default - even if she was no longer a minor - and not some person in the AD's office.
You keep saying someone in the AD office signed forher. Did you bother to look at the form? Obviously not.
Let me link it for you again.
LINK
Even the ESPN article mentions that she signed it.
You also ignore her parents were in town when this happened. They wanted to take her back to Canada to seek treatment,however due to the Canadian health system there were no openings for her. So they went to Boston.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:07 pm to Cheese Grits
Grits, I understand what you're saying. It could void the document, but it really does not matter as it pertains to whether Missouri knew about the rape and left it unreported.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:08 pm to DoreonthePlains
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It could void the document, but it really does not matter as it pertains to whether Missouri knew about the rape and left it unreported.
And the only time the document could be called in to question is if a conflict arose from the withdrawal, which isn't the case.
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