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re: I feel sorry for drew lock, he is the sec best returning qb

Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:19 pm to
Hurts is the 8th or 9th best QB in the conference
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:20 pm to
What were Fromm's and Hurt's numbers against SEC only?

If Lock gets time to throw and his receivers get even a little separation he hits them. He does have a tendency to force a ball and get picked when that is not happening, but that's on his coach. If he was at UGA he would have thrown for at least 500 more yards in the SEC last season. So OP has a valid point
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:21 pm to
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What's your excuse?

I never wanted to a HC
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:21 pm to
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Explain to me how drop passes dont effect most QB stats?



They do, but I dont think you grasped what he was throwing ...

Also, its not like they only included dropped passes for Lock
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:22 pm to
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What were Fromm's and Hurt's numbers against SEC only?


QB Rating vs SEC only
2. Jake Fromm (157.67)
4. Drew Lock (153.39)
7. Jalen Hurts (134.91)

QB Rating vs FBS Power 5 only
1. Jake Fromm (162.24)
4. Drew Lock (142.59)
5. Jalen Hurts (133.68)

QB Rating vs FBS Winning Teams
1. Jake Fromm (150.82)
3. Jalen Hurts (140.89)
8. Drew Lock (124.93)
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:23 pm to
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What were Fromm's and Hurt's numbers against SEC only?



Fromm

vs. Conference 115/189 60.8 1732 15 6 157.67
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:23 pm to
NVM

Looks like y;all already did what i was saying.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Pinche Cabron
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:24 pm to
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he is the sec best returning qb

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thomasbrown_2007


If by "best" you don't mean "championship-winning," then I guess you'd be right. Maybe
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:26 pm to
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If by "best" you don't mean "championship-winning," then I guess you'd be right. Maybe
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If by "best" you don't mean "championship-winning," then I guess you'd be right. Maybe


There have been a lot of Championship winning QB's that were not particularly good on the college and pro level.
There were also a lot of excellent QB's who never won a championship.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:27 pm to
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I understand what you are saying, but what QB in the SEC has a better pedigree?


Jake Fromm without a doubt

quote:

It seems rather premature to dismiss him based on those stats without doing the same for the perceived #2 QB.


Take a look at all the stats posted, his fall dramatically when compared.




Again, Drew Lock is a good QB. I'm not arguing he is some bum. However, his overall stats are more skewed to huge games against awful, non-P5 teams than anyone else maybe in D1 football.
Posted by Pinche Cabron
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:30 pm to
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There have been a lot of Championship winning QB's that were not particularly good on the college and pro level.
There were also a lot of excellent QB's who never won a championship.


I didn't say otherwise. He is a good qb - not disputing that - but he isn't the best. To say so is just plain dumb
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:30 pm to
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I wouldn't take Hurts or Fitz over him but I'd certainly take Fromm and probably Tua at this point.

I tend to agree with this.

quote:

Stidham would depend on how much I thought he'd improve between now and 2018.
He's great when given time, and can pick a defense apart. You get any pressure on him (at all) and all bets are off.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:31 pm to
Fromm is fantastic. He's a total stud back there.

He'd be my first pick in the league going forward without a doubt, especially with 2 more years of eligibility.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:38 pm to
No help around him? What the frick are you talking about?

He's got one of the best TE in the country. One of the best deep threats in the country. Two very good RBs and an experienced OL that has been the best pass blocking unit in the SEC over the past couple of years.

For fricks sake
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:39 pm to
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Take a look at all the stats posted, his fall dramatically when compared.


Yeah, I saw all the stats after i made the post and deleted my post. Apparently you had already started your response.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:41 pm to
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Fromm is fantastic. He's a total stud back there.

I love Fromm. He's a good talent and a good kid, to boot.
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He'd be my first pick in the league going forward without a doubt, especially with 2 more years of eligibility.
Gotta tell you, I am a big fan of Tua's, in spite of what he did to us in the NCG. He looks to be a good one, too. That pass was a beauty...and, like Fromm seems to be a classy, high character kid, too. The SEC is lucky to have both of them.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:27 pm to
It still hurts?
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14518 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:13 pm to
We've seen this before. We had Matt Stafford, A.J. Green and Knowshon Moreno at one point and didn't win the East during Stafford's tenure. Think about that....
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:24 pm to
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Stidham, Tua, Hurts, Fromm, and Fitz over him in college


Pretty sure the key word in that sentence is “college.”
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 4:25 pm
Posted by thomasbrown_2007
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Member since Oct 2014
2995 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:24 pm to
Stafford was very overrated, I'm sorry. I was never a big fan of him.
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