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re: Husker coach Bo Pelini implies that Ole Miss has a "bagman"
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:23 am to DMagic
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:23 am to DMagic
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so really there's only one logical conclusion.
That we're a better football program than you and Vandy? That we offer an education on par, if not better, with the best of the other two? What's your implication here?
We are both a better football program and better school than Ole Miss. Those are facts. What is your implication?
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:27 am to BluegrassBelle
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dumping a kid from the team
We didn't dump him from the team. We keep preferred walk-ons on scholarhips far past their useful shelf life. Where the hell are you getting this info? I am pretty sure Bob Davie and our president would have killed to keep Driver on the team.
He left on his own accord because he wanted to enter the draft (and he was drafted).
Again, you still haven't named names with his supposedly illicit recruitment. Let's hear them.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 12:28 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:28 am to AbuTheMonkey
You and Vandy had identical records last year and like I've already said you finished one game ahead of us.
So now it's better than Vandy? Make your mind up kid. We've already established that you've got better education than us. Why didn't academics matter to mama for all those months that we lead then?
So I'll answer your question with another question: what is the implication?
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That we offer an education on par, if not better, with the best of the other two?
So now it's better than Vandy? Make your mind up kid. We've already established that you've got better education than us. Why didn't academics matter to mama for all those months that we lead then?
So I'll answer your question with another question: what is the implication?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:56 am to DMagic
frick Abu and the clown-arse OP.
Obviously, CFB has changed alot in the past 25 years and ND's refusal to put down their gigantic ego and join a conference has left them behind and the gap will only continue to widen imho. Other factors obviously play into it, but as a whole, the CFB dynamic has shifted and one could argue ND will never sniff their prior glory.
To quote the words that danced past Darcy Sears' beautiful lips in Varsity Blues -
"Thangs change, Mox."
Obviously, CFB has changed alot in the past 25 years and ND's refusal to put down their gigantic ego and join a conference has left them behind and the gap will only continue to widen imho. Other factors obviously play into it, but as a whole, the CFB dynamic has shifted and one could argue ND will never sniff their prior glory.
To quote the words that danced past Darcy Sears' beautiful lips in Varsity Blues -
"Thangs change, Mox."
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 12:58 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:04 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Our recruiting is mediocre. We don't recruit as well as most of us would like. We've been able to put together #1 or #2 rated classes, even in the recent past (2013 and 20009), but it hasn't been consistent. There was a time in the not too distant past when we had Jerome Bettis, Raghib Ismail, Reggie Brooks, Ricky Watters, Dorsey Levens, and Tony Brooks in the same backfield.
Oh I remember them. Bettis was a senior and it was senior day at ND. Y'all were celebrating the 300th game in your school's history and were slaughtering us 31-7. Many fans on both sides remember zoning out, falling asleep, and generally giving up on the game thinking it was over. Then something happened right before half time - Tennessee blocked a FG and ran it back for a TD making it 31-14, a tiny bit of light in an otherwise pitch black tunnel could be seen, and so began one of most epic comebacks and dramatic finishes of all time: The Miracle at South Bend.
Good times.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 1:06 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:21 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Im not saying that its a all out free for all in Oxford, but if you Ole Miss fans really believe that nothing is going on then I cant help you. Im not naive enough to believe that LSU has gotten some recruits in the last 10 years doing less than legal things. IMO, the reason Freeze is getting these guys is because he is playing along with the Bamas, LSUs, Auburns of the world.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:52 am to lsuhunt555
What the hell is your point? What this looks like to me is perennial powers are getting rustled because OM is playing the game and getting some talent across the board for once. Y'all scurred.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:59 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Then don't say "every major program does it" because not every major program does it. Get it?
Every major program does it.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:22 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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"Read between the lines," Pelini said. "I think we all know what happened in that situation."
Ahh the most time-honored Midwestern tradition: Blame the SEC for cheating. Sounds like Pelini and Bowlsby need to go rent a glass house together.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:42 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Who else you want to talk about? Bernard Jackson? Tendai Charasika? Shaun Alexander?
I wanna know how much we paid for Alexander.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:53 am to ztucke2
I think there are some uneducated knuckleheads on this board. There are basically 4 ways schools cheat:
1. Direct payments from the school...this is what SMU did.
2. Indirect payments through boosters or other people tied to programs: here is how some schools get busted. This is basically what the original posts in the "As the Plains Burn" thread were accusing Auburn of in the Cam Newton saga.
3. Payments by agents to players for future considerations: Here is where the school has to forfeit games but is not necessarily liable, depending on how much they knew and what safeguards were in place to prevent it. Schools will let it happen so that recruits know that when the time comes form them to cash in professionally, the school will not get in the way of them fast forwarding the process a year or two, even though no money changes hands out of any desire to help the school. Schools busted here get nailed for lack of institutional control or dishonestly after the fact. This is how USC got nailed for Reggie Bush.
4. Payments from Bagmen. This is how 99% of college athletes get their illicit benefits. Bagmen have zero connection to the schools the represent and work only out of a desire to direct top talent to their school. They neither donate money to the school or accept any kind of payment for what they do. Every school has their network of bagmen who operate autonomously who are on their own to find out who they need to target.
No one does #1 anymore. Only the truely stupid do #2. The arrogant (See Carroll, Pete) do #3. Everyone does #4.
1. Direct payments from the school...this is what SMU did.
2. Indirect payments through boosters or other people tied to programs: here is how some schools get busted. This is basically what the original posts in the "As the Plains Burn" thread were accusing Auburn of in the Cam Newton saga.
3. Payments by agents to players for future considerations: Here is where the school has to forfeit games but is not necessarily liable, depending on how much they knew and what safeguards were in place to prevent it. Schools will let it happen so that recruits know that when the time comes form them to cash in professionally, the school will not get in the way of them fast forwarding the process a year or two, even though no money changes hands out of any desire to help the school. Schools busted here get nailed for lack of institutional control or dishonestly after the fact. This is how USC got nailed for Reggie Bush.
4. Payments from Bagmen. This is how 99% of college athletes get their illicit benefits. Bagmen have zero connection to the schools the represent and work only out of a desire to direct top talent to their school. They neither donate money to the school or accept any kind of payment for what they do. Every school has their network of bagmen who operate autonomously who are on their own to find out who they need to target.
No one does #1 anymore. Only the truely stupid do #2. The arrogant (See Carroll, Pete) do #3. Everyone does #4.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:17 am to sbrian3915
That is a very concise and insightful summary of the issue. From what I hear from some direct sources the bag man exists even at the lowest levels of college football. Money just has a way of showing up out of thin air. I doubt many 19 year old boys would willingly disclose found money. If the NCAA was serious about stopping it they could organize some sting operations pretty easily.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:47 am to Aux Arc
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If the NCAA was serious about stopping it they could organize some sting operations pretty easily.
I think the issue is that NCAA rules are designed for things that the schools do wrong. With Bagmen, the school isn't doing anything wrong. The school doesn't officially know. The Bagmen do not donate money to the school. The Bagmen do not interact with the kids on campus. Many bagmen don't even go to games. The Bagman system is set up in a way that totally keeps the school in the clear. If anything happens that can connect a bagman to the school...that bagman is out of the circle.
I think the bagman system is beyond the reach of NCAA regs and that's why no one ever gets nailed for it. I think it would take the Feds declaring that the bagman system violates law in some way (money laundering, mail frraud..stuff like that). It would take the Feds using Organized Crime statutes against these guys to stop it, and why in the world world they ever go to that expense?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:13 pm to sbrian3915
Can someone get me up to speed on this thread? Who the frick is trying to argue/flame OM fans? TIA
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:16 pm to REBEL5 AC
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Who the frick is trying to argue/flame OM fans?
A fricking ignorant-arse, insecure, delusional Notre Dame fan.
He's convinced that Notre Dame doesn't do anything against any NCAA regulations, and uses his ill-founded belief to take the moral high ground against us. What he doesn't realize is that a) he's fricking wrong and b) we don't fricking care.
frick yeah we cheat. We're up front about it. We know shite ain't gonna happen, and we know that there isn't a damn thing that anybody on this board can do about it.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:21 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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AbuTheMonkey
Talking about morals, when your head coach is responsible for the death of a person. He put football practice over the life of a person. You think he is too moral to pay a kid?
Get. The. frick. Out.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:22 pm to DCRebel
Ha, that was quick and easy
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
He was obviously paid, but they all are so who cares 
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:27 pm to REBEL5 AC
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Can someone get me up to speed on this thread? Who the frick is trying to argue/flame OM fans? TIA
It started with Bo Pelini saying the obvious (Ole Miss has bagmen), followed by some people trying to claim that their school didn't have bagmen, and then a few posters (aformentioned Notre Dame guy denying it in an abnoxious way).
In other words, a normal SEC Rant tyhread
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:28 pm to sbrian3915
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It started with Bo Pelini saying the obvious (Ole Miss has bagmen), followed by some people trying to claim that their school didn't have bagmen, and then a few posters (aformentioned Notre Dame guy denying it in an abnoxious way).
In other words, a normal SEC Rant tyhread
much appreciated 
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