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re: How long does Deboer get before Bama brings
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:09 pm to Shaft Williams
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:09 pm to Shaft Williams
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Facilities and history mean nothing to the players. It's about money and can your staff develop these guys for the NFL. I'm confident in our offensive staff. Defense...I think DeBoer will be cleaning house there in a year or two.
Money? I think we're middle of the pack in the SEC. Schools like USC, Florida, Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, A&M, Michigan, Miami, Auburn and Tennessee have deeper wallets.
What player are you representing again?
If it's only about money, frick em.
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:10 pm to Shaft Williams
Alabama has as much of an advantage as Kentucky has over the rest of the SEC in basketball. It's about NIL and the quality of your staff.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:10 pm to 3down10
If you read my comments I said it's about money and your staff.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:11 pm to nicholastiger
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:15 pm to 3down10
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Does LSU have the history and tradition of Alabama? Is LSU a blueblood?
Being a blueblood means little to nothing these days, it was a big deal when those teams were the only ones televised but now everyone is on TV.
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Is the LSU QB likely to get as high of quality of NIL deal as the Alabama QB?
I would bet that Jayden Daniels had a better NIL than Jalen Milroe did last year.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:15 pm to ColoradoAg
Hopefully he doesn't show up at a strip club in Pensacola
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:15 pm to Draco Malfoy
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Based on what?
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His 37-9 D1 record?
LOL at this poster for thinking this is an insult.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:22 pm to Bama3714
I'm slow to mention DeBoer's record because his ascension is so closely tied to Penix. Penix was special on the college level since he was at Indiana. DeBoer turning Milroe into a competent QB would say more about his coaching ability than what he's done beforehand.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:26 pm to Shaft Williams
I think it's more interesting to see how he performs without William Inge, Chuck Morrell, and Ryan Grubb.
Those guys have been with him a long time.
Those guys have been with him a long time.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:31 pm to SidewalkTiger
That will definitely be interesting too.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 8:56 am to Shaft Williams
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If you read my comments I said it's about money and your staff.
Once again, what player are you representing?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:10 am to SidewalkTiger
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Being a blueblood means little to nothing these days, it was a big deal when those teams were the only ones televised but now everyone is on TV.
False. You benefit from teams like Alabama being in the conference. If Alabama didn't share revenue, they would make way more on TV deals and such than LSU. Even then, they are still going to get more attention and so on.
And considering the way super conferences are going, I personally would love to see it happen. With all these playoff spots, it's no longer in Alabama's best interest to raise the level of competition in conference.
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I would bet that Jayden Daniels had a better NIL than Jalen Milroe did last year.
I don't know because I can only find valuations for the current year and he's not in there.
I can tell you that Jalen Milroe ranks #5 in college football NIL valuations.
And Nussmeier is ranked #13.
4th and 10th if you just want to look at QB's only.
So if was the case last year, it took LSU having a Heisman winning QB to beat out what people call an RB with an arm QB.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:34 am to 3down10
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False. You benefit from teams like Alabama being in the conference. If Alabama didn't share revenue, they would make way more on TV deals and such than LSU. Even then, they are still going to get more attention and so on.
And considering the way super conferences are going, I personally would love to see it happen. With all these playoff spots, it's no longer in Alabama's best interest to raise the level of competition in conference.
That doesn't mean the team will be good though.
My comments are related to how good your team will be, not how much money it can make.
Being a blue blood is no longer an advantage in that arena.
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I don't know because I can only find valuations for the current year and he's not in there.
I can tell you that Jalen Milroe ranks #5 in college football NIL valuations.
And Nussmeier is ranked #13.
4th and 10th if you just want to look at QB's only.
So if was the case last year, it took LSU having a Heisman winning QB to beat out what people call an RB with an arm QB.
That goes both ways.
Milroe had Heisman votes last year, Nuss has only started one game.
By your logic, Alabama has to have a player in the Heisman conversation to beat out an unknown at LSU.
Daniels had national deals prior to the season even beginning last year, Powerade was the major one.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:48 am to SidewalkTiger
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That doesn't mean the team will be good though.
My comments are related to how good your team will be, not how much money it can make.
Being a blue blood is no longer an advantage in that arena.
Being a blue blood doesn't mean your team will be good or that your program is always elite. I talk about that a good bit when people try to evaluation the strength of programs today and call them bluebloods.
It does however still have many other advantages. Look at Nebraska. Not the best program these days by far, but they still have tons of advantages over other similar programs that aren't blue blood and don't have that history.
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That goes both ways.
Milroe had Heisman votes last year, Nuss has only started one game.
By your logic, Alabama has to have a player in the Heisman conversation to beat out an unknown at LSU.
Daniels had national deals prior to the season even beginning last year, Powerade was the major one.
Again, that's the kind of shite I'm talking about. Do you think Milroe has these same things if he is playing for Miss St? Not a chance.
It goes right back to what I say about this stuff to start with, the schools themselves are the draw, not the players outside a few exceptions like Arch Manning.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:52 am to 3down10
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Again, that's the kind of shite I'm talking about. Do you think Milroe has these same things if he is playing for Miss St? Not a chance.
It goes right back to what I say about this stuff to start with, the schools themselves are the draw, not the players outside a few exceptions like Arch Manning.
I agree that the schools are the draw.
My statements in this thread aren't comparing Alabama to a school like Mississippi State, but to other elite programs.
A program like Georgia is an elite program but not technically a blue blood, Alabama has no actual advantage over a program like that these days.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:04 am to SidewalkTiger
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I agree that the schools are the draw.
My statements in this thread aren't comparing Alabama to a school like Mississippi State, but to other elite programs.
A program like Georgia is an elite program but not technically a blue blood, Alabama has no actual advantage over a program like that these days.
I'm only using Miss St because it's a big difference so it illustrates the point.
Even though Georgia is doing well these days and has it's own strengths like Kirby and it's momentum as well as great resources, Alabama still has an advantage over them everywhere else. It's not as large as Miss St, but it still exists.
Which one scares you more: Kirby at Georgia, or Kirby at Alabama?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:10 am to 3down10
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Even though Georgia is doing well these days and has it's own strengths like Kirby and it's momentum as well as great resources, Alabama still has an advantage over them everywhere else.
So what is the advantage exactly?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:22 am to Shaft Williams
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I'm slow to mention DeBoer's record because his ascension is so closely tied to Penix. Penix was special on the college level since he was at Indiana. DeBoer turning Milroe into a competent QB would say more about his coaching ability than what he's done beforehand.
If a great qb is all it takes then why didn't USC, LSU, or North Carolina make the playoffs or championship game? They all had qb's who will be drafted higher than Penix.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:53 am to jchamil
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If a great qb is all it takes then why didn't USC, LSU, or North Carolina make the playoffs or championship game? They all had qb's who will be drafted higher than Penix.
Kalen DeBoer's 25-3 record at 4-win Washington is just another inconvenient truth in Rantville.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:00 pm to jchamil
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If a great qb is all it takes then why didn't USC, LSU, or North Carolina make the playoffs or championship game? They all had qb's who will be drafted higher than Penix
The "Deboer is only good because of Penix" argument is dumb because he turned Fresno State around without Penix.
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