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re: How happy is A&M with Sumlin?
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
I was actually pissed when we hired Sumlin because I wanted Kirby Smart to be our head coach. Smart didn't come here for whatever reason (either we didn't want him or he didn't want the job) and I thought Sumlin's style was going to get thrashed in the SEC.
I also thought that Showers would have been a better QB for Sumlin's system and I thought Johnny couldn't throw worth a shite.
Needless to say I can't predict a damn thing...
I also thought that Showers would have been a better QB for Sumlin's system and I thought Johnny couldn't throw worth a shite.
Needless to say I can't predict a damn thing...
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Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:40 am to KaiserSoze99
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:57 am to Chuck U Farley
Sumlin has been awesome recruiting wise. All started with going out and hiring all "recruiting coaches", most of whom had been the recruiting coordinator at their previous school. Sherman's staff was more NFL like and focused on coaching itself but had few closers. They did a great job of developing some 3*'s but rarely got the big names.
As for the current class it is huge, diverse, and talented.
QB-2 guys here that are highly rated Texas HS studs that play in Spread offenses. Both come from good teams and have all the measurables you want for an offense like A&M's, though neither is the running threat Manziel is (who is though?)
RB-One guy here in James White. Big, strong RB with speed. Very much in the CMike/Ben Malena mold.
WR/TE-Six commits here though one is a big grade risk (Griffin) and RSJ is still on the board. Essentially they fit one of 2 molds. Either they are absolute speed demon freaks that will spread the field or they are tall and strong in more of the Mike Evans mold. If A&M lands RSJ to put him along with Evans watch out, that would be 2 6'5/6'6 basketball players that can get over a foot above most CB's and likely outweigh them significantly. The speed demons are necessary in the spread to put pressure on the defense and make every play into a possible TD.
OT-3 Big, Strong highly rated guys here and maybe one more coming.
DT-4 guys here (including a JUCO) and maybe one or 2 more coming. All are big, strong, and quick.
DE-2 guys here. Both tall, fast and athletic.
LB-5 guys here. 1 true MLB monster in Chevis and 4 other guys that are OLB's but maybe one or two may grow into an MLB, one a JUCO and 2 from Louisiana. All fast and athletic. A&M is also almost certain to take at least one and likely 2 more here.
DB-7 guys here. 2 true cover CB's 4 Safeties, and 1 Athlete that will likely play CB. 2 are from Louisiana and Kam Miles is the Top Safety in Texas. May even take one here.
Of course this begs the question how A&M can take so many. A&M had as many as 8 slots left from last year and at least 5 guys are Mid Termers (all the JUCOs plus a couple others). Of course a couple will likely be grade casualties/other losses.
The key is Sumlin has gone out and recruited a solid and balanced class that is especially strong on the defensive side of the ball. The last few commits are all going to be elite level players that are Top 10 in Texas quality. Plenty of 4*s in the group but the 3* types are all ridiculous athletes that just haven't gotten as much press, guys that the coaches offered very fast after seeing them blow up a workout typically with a ridiculous 40 time and who maybe didn't play football their whole time in HS or went to a small school and were less noticed. That would be opposed to taking 2 and 3*'s like we have in the past to "fill out the class" because we needed a ____.
Another huge departure is this is the most "national" class A&M has had in a LONG time. A&M has had years where we took one or two players that weren't from Texas, our roster is still over 80% Texans. In this class we have 5 from Louisiana, 1 from Alabama, and 1 from Hawaii as well as all the JUCO's being from OOS. It's certainly still Texas dominant but that's a ton of OOS talent for A&M.
Of course none of it means crap right now but certainly it's a sea change from what A&M has done recruiting wise in recent years. The speed alone is ridiculous in this class, it's loaded with HS track champions. Gotta keep steppin' up to compete in the SEC.
As for the current class it is huge, diverse, and talented.
QB-2 guys here that are highly rated Texas HS studs that play in Spread offenses. Both come from good teams and have all the measurables you want for an offense like A&M's, though neither is the running threat Manziel is (who is though?)
RB-One guy here in James White. Big, strong RB with speed. Very much in the CMike/Ben Malena mold.
WR/TE-Six commits here though one is a big grade risk (Griffin) and RSJ is still on the board. Essentially they fit one of 2 molds. Either they are absolute speed demon freaks that will spread the field or they are tall and strong in more of the Mike Evans mold. If A&M lands RSJ to put him along with Evans watch out, that would be 2 6'5/6'6 basketball players that can get over a foot above most CB's and likely outweigh them significantly. The speed demons are necessary in the spread to put pressure on the defense and make every play into a possible TD.
OT-3 Big, Strong highly rated guys here and maybe one more coming.
DT-4 guys here (including a JUCO) and maybe one or 2 more coming. All are big, strong, and quick.
DE-2 guys here. Both tall, fast and athletic.
LB-5 guys here. 1 true MLB monster in Chevis and 4 other guys that are OLB's but maybe one or two may grow into an MLB, one a JUCO and 2 from Louisiana. All fast and athletic. A&M is also almost certain to take at least one and likely 2 more here.
DB-7 guys here. 2 true cover CB's 4 Safeties, and 1 Athlete that will likely play CB. 2 are from Louisiana and Kam Miles is the Top Safety in Texas. May even take one here.
Of course this begs the question how A&M can take so many. A&M had as many as 8 slots left from last year and at least 5 guys are Mid Termers (all the JUCOs plus a couple others). Of course a couple will likely be grade casualties/other losses.
The key is Sumlin has gone out and recruited a solid and balanced class that is especially strong on the defensive side of the ball. The last few commits are all going to be elite level players that are Top 10 in Texas quality. Plenty of 4*s in the group but the 3* types are all ridiculous athletes that just haven't gotten as much press, guys that the coaches offered very fast after seeing them blow up a workout typically with a ridiculous 40 time and who maybe didn't play football their whole time in HS or went to a small school and were less noticed. That would be opposed to taking 2 and 3*'s like we have in the past to "fill out the class" because we needed a ____.
Another huge departure is this is the most "national" class A&M has had in a LONG time. A&M has had years where we took one or two players that weren't from Texas, our roster is still over 80% Texans. In this class we have 5 from Louisiana, 1 from Alabama, and 1 from Hawaii as well as all the JUCO's being from OOS. It's certainly still Texas dominant but that's a ton of OOS talent for A&M.
Of course none of it means crap right now but certainly it's a sea change from what A&M has done recruiting wise in recent years. The speed alone is ridiculous in this class, it's loaded with HS track champions. Gotta keep steppin' up to compete in the SEC.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:31 pm to Captain Insano
I agree with every point in your post 
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
We have good QBs outside of JFF. Unlike LSU, we know how to recruit QBs.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:55 pm to ChrisTAMU
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I agree with every point in your post
Me too, that is,
had I read it.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:58 pm to bulldawger
My reply was to captain, not aggressor.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:04 pm to Chuck U Farley
Ever heard of this guy named matt davis. Incoming recruit who is JFF 2.0
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:09 pm to Captain Insano
I agree with the being pissed part, not because I didn't like Sumlin, but because it REEKED of Good-Ole-Boy network bullshite that we have endured for an eternity. Sumlin was RC's OC back in the day when RC got fired. It had the smell of a GOB network inside hire for the sake of the GOB network. The "National Search" bullshite nearly sent me into a Call-of-Duty-Bama-Loss Rage.
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:21 pm to Chuck U Farley
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You may want to check your upcoming attrition on the Oline. They wont be as good up front next year.
It sucks that A&M is the ONLY team in College football that has to deal with attrition.... It would be awesome if they would let us try to recruit new players at some point.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:32 pm to Chuck U Farley
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I want to know if they think he and his offense will lead them to a title or if they can put down the koolaid and realize that gimmick offenses dont work forever.
What's gimmick about it? Because we dont huddle and dont decide to do like Les and run right at a defense like Alabama???
Question, since you're LSU team scored a total of ZERO touchdowns against Alabama in TWO games last year, what makes you think you're ground and pound style is more effective? Hell, the only reason you had success this year on Bama was when you're passing game started clicking.
We lead the SEC in rushing. We actually rush the ball just about as often as we pass. As a matter of fact, we had more rush yds against Bama than they did.
To answer your question- do we think we can win relying only on offense??? NO.
We are thin on defense due to the last staff and because we changed from the 3-4 to the 4-3 this season. The majority of our 2013 recruiting class are defensive guys because we want to play better defense.
Sumlin has a good chance of going 10-2 in his first season as HC with an offensive and defensive personnel that was recruited for a different scheme/system. He's recruiting VERY well this year and (top 10 class) and we'll probably have another top 10 class next year with the way things are shaking out.
He's a good coach and we're in position to get Elite recruits. That seems like a decent combination to me, for sustaining success. What am I missing?
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:50 pm to stir8ag
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Question, since you're LSU team scored a total of ZERO touchdowns against Alabama in TWO games last year, what makes you think you're ground and pound style is more effective?
well, how do you think they beat us? Gotta respect a pounding running game. It opens the pass up. Thats why we were able to pass this year. We were gashing them with the run.
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We lead the SEC in rushing. We actually rush the ball just about as often as we pass. As a matter of fact, we had more rush yds against Bama than they did.
Im not saying that you guys cant run the ball. You are leading the SEC in rushing. Didnt really show too much of that leading rushing attack against us. Chavis shut that down in the 2nd half. UF figured you out in the 2nd half as well. Yall did however go into a hostile enviornment and beat the #1 team. Im not saying that you cant do it, I just wonder if the UF and LSU game were par for the course or will your performance against Bama be the typical A&M team?
FWIW, Im not saying that yall arent good and Sumlin is not a good coach, I just dont know enough about A&M to really know what to expect in the future from you guys.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:12 pm to Chuck U Farley
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You are leading the SEC in rushing. Didnt really show too much of that leading rushing attack against us. Chavis shut that down in the 2nd half. UF figured you out in the 2nd half as well.
I felt like in the second half of both games that we got away from the run. Against LSU in particular, Ben Malena was averaging 6.8yds per carry but only got the ball 3-4 times in the second half. I assume it's because he fumbled in the second quarter but dont know.
We relied way too much on the pass game against LSU. No excuses, LSU's defense is Elite.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:17 pm to Chuck U Farley
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FWIW, Im not saying that yall arent good and Sumlin is not a good coach, I just dont know enough about A&M to really know what to expect in the future from you guys.
It's hard for us to predict too. I think the most pleasant surprise from this year (aside from Manziel) is our defensive coordinator, Mark Snyder.
I think most felt like our offense would be good with our offensive talent and Sumlin being an "offensive guy" but defensive talent was pretty far behind AND we have been a 3-4 team (almost exclusively) for the last 4 years and Snyder switched up to a 4-3, so that made us that much more thin on defense. But, with the exception of the La Tech game, our defense has been pretty solid.
Recruiting great players cures alot and I think our staff is really selling the SEC to the texas talent and it's working so far. I think if we stack a couple of top 10 classes together (it looks like that will be the case in 2013 and potentially 2014) we can make some very real progress, across the board on offense AND defense, more importantly. Particularly in regards to our front 7.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:32 pm to stir8ag
I agree that yall did get away from the run a little too early against us. I think we and UF (also Bama) are some of the only teams in the nation with enough speed on D to counter the offenseive attack.
Snyder seems to make good adjustments. Yall will see a huge jump in recruiting in the next 2-4 years. Texas is down and you guys are on the way up. I am enjoying having another tough team in the conference. Little worried about the sleeping giant though. Saban awoke a sleeping giant here and I think that yall are setting yourselves up to do the same.
Snyder seems to make good adjustments. Yall will see a huge jump in recruiting in the next 2-4 years. Texas is down and you guys are on the way up. I am enjoying having another tough team in the conference. Little worried about the sleeping giant though. Saban awoke a sleeping giant here and I think that yall are setting yourselves up to do the same.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 4:59 pm to Chuck U Farley
We'll give him one more year to get things straightened out.
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