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re: How far do Bama/LSU fall when Saban/Miles retire?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:36 pm to TJGator1215
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:36 pm to TJGator1215
Why would either program "fall". The argument has often been made that after Saban resurrected the LSU program, that Miles has taken it to the next level by consistently being ranked in the top 10. Ironically, Miles got Oklahoma State going in the right direction and Mike Gundy has taken them to the next level. Both Miles and Saban previous college programs have gotten better after they left - not fallen.
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Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:38 pm to aggressor
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Bama is always going to be a power but the run of the last few years is just ridiculous and something that is unlikely to be continue forever.
Nothing gets by you does it? I don't think any Bama fan would expect 3 out of 4 titles to continue forever.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:38 pm to Bamatab
I have a HS friend whose pledge brother is a Tuscaloosa native who I met when they stayed with me for this past years game in BR. He said the last time he walked into the Saban household, Nick was watching Spider-Man 2
Idk why but I find that funny as hell
Idk why but I find that funny as hell
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:42 pm to tiger perry
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According to the SEC rant, a monkey could coach at both schools and win big
Mike DuBose, Dennis Franchione, and Mike Shula all had a 10 win season with two of the three having the best record in the west and one winning the league so for Bama there may be some truth to that observation.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:47 pm to JustGetItRight
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Mike DuBose, Dennis Franchione, and Mike Shula all had a 10 win season
The coaches you listed above only had one 10 win season in their tenure at UofA.
CLM has had six 10 win seasons out of the eight years at LSU
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:49 pm to JustGetItRight
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Mike DuBose, Dennis Franchione, and Mike Shula all had a 10 win season with two of the three having the best record in the west and one winning the league so for Bama there may be some truth to that observation.
The fact that Dubose and Curry both won an SEC title and Fran and Shula both had 10 win seasons should tell you something about the Alabama HC position. A good coach can be great at Bama, and a great coach can become a legend. That's just the truth.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:50 pm to GeorgeReymond
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The coaches you listed above only had one 10 win season in their tenure at UofA.
True, but they all had short tenures. Fran was only at Bama 2 years, and the others around 4 years a piece. And they were all mediocre to bad coaches. That's the point.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:51 pm to tider04
True dat 
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:54 pm to TJGator1215
Don't be so sure about Alabama. They were not very good for the 10 years leading up to Saban.
EVERY school is subject for droughts when a coach leaves....it will all depend on who is picked to replace them.
EVERY school is subject for droughts when a coach leaves....it will all depend on who is picked to replace them.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:54 pm to AlaTiger
LSU could fire Miles in the next 2-3 years if he is just middle of the pack. TAMU looks to take LSU's place in the west. Especially with the better recruiting base and money. I don't think it happens but, LSU could revert back to pre Saban/Miles days. Oh how I would love to see the Tiger rant if that occurs.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:56 pm to TJGator1215
don't kid yourself. LSU isn't going anywhere...
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:57 pm to DawgsLife
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Don't be so sure about Alabama. They were not very good for the 10 years leading up to Saban.
EVERY school is subject for droughts when a coach leaves....it will all depend on who is picked to replace them.
That was more due to some pretty severe NCAA sanctions and a couple of bad hires than anything to do with the Bama program itself. Bama won the SEC in 1999 and hired Saban in 2007, so it wasn't that big of a drought really. Especially when you consider Bama had 10 win seasons in both 2002 and 2005 during our "drought" years.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:00 pm to geauxcoco
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Quality coaches will be lining up. We will be just fine
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:01 pm to TJGator1215
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LSU could fire Miles in the next 2-3 years if he is just middle of the pack. TAMU looks to take LSU's place in the west. Especially with the better recruiting base and money. I don't think it happens but, LSU could revert back to pre Saban/Miles days. Oh how I would love to see the Tiger rant if that occurs.
LSU would have to hire a really horrible coach or get hit with a harsh probation to drop off like that. They may have a down year or two here and there but I think they are here to stay as a top 10 program.
TAMU on the other hand had one decent year and didn't even win their division. They will be solid but once JFF leaves I think they will be like an Arkansas or USCe with better recruiting. Win their division occasionally, maybe even win the SEC once a decade or so but not much beyond that. Bama and LSU aren't going anywhere in the SEC West.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:05 pm to TJGator1215
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LSU could fire Miles in the next 2-3 years if he is just middle of the pack.
Coulda shoulda woulda
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TAMU looks to take LSU's place in the west.
Based on?
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Money?
LSU Remains SEC's Most Valuable Team
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Recruiting?
LSU Recruiting
LSU will have a top 5 recruiting class
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:13 pm to tider04
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That was more due to some pretty severe NCAA sanctions and a couple of bad hires than anything to do with the Bama program itself.
Seriously? Who made those bad hires? Wasn't it the Alabama program?
And that is my whole point....every team is just a bad hire from being ordinary. We all like to think we are part of something extraordinary that is a machine. But there has NEVER been a program that has not gone through down years.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:13 pm to dcrews
quote:Saban creates his own damn stress & pressure.
I didn't realize Saban was 61.
He seems like a pretty intense guy, a belichick type if you will. When you're THAT intense and THAT hardcore about coaching football at a program like that, I'd imagine the pressure and stress would cause anyone to tap out earlier than they wanted to.
That's the only reason I think Nick would have to hang it up prior to another 10 year mark at Bama.
Sure, he's spoiled the hell out of the fanbase and alumni. But, IMO he's well exceeded anything we expected him to do. It's all just gravy from here on out.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:16 pm to tider04
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so it wasn't that big of a drought really.
2000 3-8
2001 7-5
2002 10-3
2003 4-9
2004 7-6
2005 10-2
2006 6-7
2007 7-6
You don't consider that a drought? Oooooook.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:17 pm to vincejr
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Both programs are two of the most powerful athletic programs in the country both financially and with the recruiting base. They will both hire big time coaches and continue being successful.
What if no big time coaches are available at the time? Coaching hires are part evaluating ability and part plain old lucky timing. See Bama with Saban. They had struck out on several hires in years past then "bam"- he's ready to return to college at just the right time. Anyone who thinks coaching hires at great programs are a slam dunk hasn't seen enough of them.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:17 pm to RT1941
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IMO he's well exceeded anything we expected him to do. It's all just gravy from here on ou
I agree. He will be able to stay at Alabama as long as he wants.
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