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re: How did LF7 or Dalvin Cook not win a single award?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:32 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:32 pm to lsufball19
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those totals are rushing and receiving stats (note: touches)
Fournette had 72 yards receiving against Ole Miss
He had 31yds against Bama.
That's why he didn't win.
How do you not understand that?
ETA: In his biggest and most important game he failed.
Miserably.
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Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:34 pm to lsufball19
Dude just get over it. Henry is considered better by the voters. LF got stonewalled against Bama, Ole Miss and Arky to some extent. He didn't show up in November when it matter. End of story.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:36 pm to bbvdd
He got dominated and the streak went to 5. No recovering that. At that point everything he did before hand went out of the window.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:36 pm to bbvdd
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He had 31yds against Bama.
That's why he didn't win.
How do you not understand that?
ETA: In his biggest and most important game he failed.
Miserably.
I don't dispute that. But no one was running against Alabama that day with the way LSU's line got utterly dominated. I absolutely agree Fournette lost any chance to win the Heisman that day. But, weighing the totality of the season, there was not the separation people relentlessly attempt to prove. Additionally, there's no way to show Henry would have done much, if any, better against the Alabama defense as he never had to run against them. I just think it's ignorant to compare the two in their H2H game when discussing who's better. It's not as if Fournette's job was to stop Henry and vice-versa. Now, whether that had a monumental effect on the Hiesman/Doak voting, well I don't think it's even debatable it did.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:38 pm to TJGator1215
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They clearly were better than Henry over the course of the year
I don't think it's really a big deal.
WHile I think LF is better than Henry, Henry played on a much better team.
Plus (and I hate to say this as an LSU fan), whe Henry and LF were on the same field, one ran for 200+ while the other ran for 31. While that stat is largely due to the team around each back, it simply can't be ignored.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:38 pm to MontyFranklyn
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LF got stonewalled against Bama, Ole Miss and Arky to some extent
he didn't get stonewalled against Ole Miss or Arkansas. Maybe compared to his average, and he didn't get stonewalled anymore than Henry did in those games.
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Henry is considered better by the voters
Henry was considered to have had a better season by the voters. They don't vote on who is the better player.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:40 pm to Bham Bammer
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Oh, he ran over Auburn. Wow! Almost as impressive as Eastern Michigan and Syracuse.
and MSU,and Florida, and aTm, and OM.
Your statement's absurd. Fournette would have broken Walker's record 2 games sooner than Henry, running behind 'Bama's line against the same opponents.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:41 pm to RANDY44
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Fournette would have broken Walker's record 2 games sooner than Henry
he very likely still will break it one game sooner. Fournette is about to play his 12th game. Henry did it in his 13th game.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:42 pm to TJGator1215
Both Cook and Fournette are probably better running backs, but that's just not how these things work.
It's about stats and hype. The Henry hype train is off the charts.
It's about stats and hype. The Henry hype train is off the charts.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:46 pm to RANDY44
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Fournette would have broken Walker's record 2 games sooner than Henry, running behind 'Bama's line against the same opponents.
And he would have won plenty of post season awards had he chosen better while being recruited...
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:46 pm to MontyFranklyn
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He got dominated and the streak went to 5. No recovering that. At that point everything he did before hand went out of the window.
Which is why theses awards don't hold much water.
Don't get me wrong, if Fournette were to win the Heisman, I'd be excited. It's a cool thing, no doubt. But it's just more about hype and being on a good team in today's game, not so much about who is actually the best at each position or who is the best player in the country.
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Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:52 pm to BamaAlum97
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had he chosen better while being recruited...
at the end of the day, that depends on what's his actual goal. Fournette stated after his commitment he chose LSu 1. because he wanted to play for his state and 2. because he wanted to make his own legacy and not just be another good running back at Alabama. Additionally, if the end goal is to put yourself in the best position to be drafted as highly as possible, being the feature back for 3 years at LSU likely will end up getting him drafted higher than he may have at Alabama splitting carries with Henry. At the very minimum, how highly he's drafted will be a push, barring injury.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:12 pm to TJGator1215
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They clearly were better than Henry over the course of the year. It's a shame these awards are based on popularity rather actual #s.
Here's a secret: the Heisman is an award for the feature RB or the QB on one of the best teams in the country, not an award for the best player in the country.
That's why it's based on November achievements.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:13 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:The best players perform at high levels in the biggest games. He didn't do it. Stop belly aching. You all excusing the mental aspect of the game completely. He looked as defeated as Les did on the sidelines. Henry is physically tough and mentally tough and that makes you an all around player, not just being faster or more agile.
Which is why theses awards don't hold much water.
Don't get me wrong, if Fournette were to win the Heisman, I'd be excited. It's a cool thing, no doubt. But it's just more about hype and being on a good team in today's game, not so much about who is actually the best at each position or who is the best player in the country.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:15 pm to lsufball19
quote:And now his legacy is not winning against Bama and getting stonewalled in the biggest game of his career so far. Some legacy
because he wanted to make his own legacy and not just be another good running back at Alabama.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:15 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Henry is physically tough and mentally tough and that makes you an all around player, not just being faster or more agile.
Right, and Fournette, a guy who spent days on I-10 following Katrina, is not a mentally or physically tough person.
Fournette failed in that game because his offensive line didn't get off the plane.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:16 pm to MontyFranklyn
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And now his legacy is not winning against Bama and getting stonewalled in the biggest game of his career so far. Some legacy
Ultimately, his legacy will be a higher draft, more money, and a more successful professional RB than Henry. That's what it's about for him.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:17 pm to wadewilson
quote:You sure about that?
Ultimately, his legacy will be a higher draft, more money, and a more successful professional RB than Henry. That's what it's about for him.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:18 pm to MontyFranklyn
Yeah. Fournette is a more talented RB.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:18 pm to MontyFranklyn
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And now his legacy is not winning against Bama and getting stonewalled in the biggest game of his career so far. Some legacy
depends on what way you want to look at it. He's on pace to become LSU's all-time leading rusher and be top 5 all-time in the SEC. He was named an All-American this year as a sophomore. He also set LSU's single season record this year. Most would view those as very impressive accomplishments.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 1:19 pm
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