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re: Hogs, what happens if Bert falls to 0-3 against Malzahn this year?
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:18 am to UncleFestersLegs
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:18 am to UncleFestersLegs
Meh, trying to figure out who hosed who during the Malzahn vs Nutt fiasco is like trying to find out where the intestine ends and the colon begins. It will be messy and probably stink.
I will tell what I have heard is the primary reason Gus did not park the bus here at Arkansas.
The list of good coaches that Broyles ran off while he was the AD can fill up a small hall of fame. The one coach he wasn't able to dynamite out of the job was... Houston Nutt.
Nutt was from Arkansas and had a lot of ties to boosters in the Little Rock area. So when Nutt's teams would periodically tank Broyles knew there would be too much of a brawl to dig him out of the program. When Nutt finally left Arkansas it was with a sweetheart deal that paid him to go be the Ole Miss coach basically.
Fast forward a few years, a motorcycle accident and a coach having a mental breakdown at a press conference. Arkansas is looking for a new head coach.
Gus well and truly wanted the Arkansas job. He was from Arkansas, he had lived in NW Arkansas, and his biggest base of support was just fifteen minutes up the road from Fayetteville.
And that might be the main reason Malzahn wasn't hired. After all the trouble and flaming hoops we had to jump through to get rid of Nutt our AD, even a new one, was more then a bit leery about going all in on Gus knowing that if the hire didn't work out it would be even harder to dig him out of his contract then it had Nutt.
If our AD decides in a few years that Bert isn't who we want then we pay him to leave, people grumble for a week or two... and then its over. Gus would have been Nutt 2.0 if things hadn't worked out, but even worse.
I will tell what I have heard is the primary reason Gus did not park the bus here at Arkansas.
The list of good coaches that Broyles ran off while he was the AD can fill up a small hall of fame. The one coach he wasn't able to dynamite out of the job was... Houston Nutt.
Nutt was from Arkansas and had a lot of ties to boosters in the Little Rock area. So when Nutt's teams would periodically tank Broyles knew there would be too much of a brawl to dig him out of the program. When Nutt finally left Arkansas it was with a sweetheart deal that paid him to go be the Ole Miss coach basically.
Fast forward a few years, a motorcycle accident and a coach having a mental breakdown at a press conference. Arkansas is looking for a new head coach.
Gus well and truly wanted the Arkansas job. He was from Arkansas, he had lived in NW Arkansas, and his biggest base of support was just fifteen minutes up the road from Fayetteville.
And that might be the main reason Malzahn wasn't hired. After all the trouble and flaming hoops we had to jump through to get rid of Nutt our AD, even a new one, was more then a bit leery about going all in on Gus knowing that if the hire didn't work out it would be even harder to dig him out of his contract then it had Nutt.
If our AD decides in a few years that Bert isn't who we want then we pay him to leave, people grumble for a week or two... and then its over. Gus would have been Nutt 2.0 if things hadn't worked out, but even worse.
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:31 am to piggilicious
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if i see a piece of gum on the sidewalk and deliberately step into it and it gets stuck on my shoe then i don't expect sympathy/empathy or anything thing else from people. i'm not sure why gus gets to step into it and then people felt sorry for him as if it was so shocking that he and hdn didn't work out.
I think moving from HS to college is a no brainer decision anywhere in the country but Texas. The money difference alone is a reason to make the move. Add to that the potential career advancement which is unlimited. It worked out great for Gus. I can't imagine any HS coach in the country wouldn't do the exact same thing. Including Chad Morris who was from Texas.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:35 am to Arkiebarkie
quote:I remember that. I also remember that Gus was hired because he could deliver a lot of recruits to Arky.
Hell,none of that is true. Gus was done wrong by Hootie and his blow fish. Hootie was forced by the powers that be to hire Gus. Gus was not the problem, he was in a tank with sharks. Hootie and his staff treated him terrible,calling him high school!
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:40 am to Tigerman97
i kind of agree, and that's fine then- he took the job with his eyes wide open. therefore, no one should have given him any pity or whatever when things went south. as in there was no reason for the 'oh poor gus, he got screwed' mentality that many had.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:16 pm to piggilicious
I'll always believe that there were some people at Auburn who had their sights dead set on Gus in some capacity after our '06 season. Here's an Arkansas team that went 4-7 in '05 and starts SEC play in '06 with 3 wins, including wins over Alabama and highly ranked Auburn. I don't think they realized that a whole lot of Arkansas' success that year was due to the tremendous amount of talent on that team. But Gus had their full attention.
Tuberville was still winning but started having offensive woes in '08 after hiring Tony Franklin as OC, who was not IMO, the preferred hire. Anyway, as expected, Tuberville started to lose more games.
Hence, hire Chizik and bring Gus in as the new OC, knowing Chizik would would eventually flop whenever Gus leaves for a HC position.
...and Bingo.
Anyway, I think we'll beat Auburn this year and Coach Bielema will be at Arkansas for a good while.
Tuberville was still winning but started having offensive woes in '08 after hiring Tony Franklin as OC, who was not IMO, the preferred hire. Anyway, as expected, Tuberville started to lose more games.
Hence, hire Chizik and bring Gus in as the new OC, knowing Chizik would would eventually flop whenever Gus leaves for a HC position.
...and Bingo.
Anyway, I think we'll beat Auburn this year and Coach Bielema will be at Arkansas for a good while.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:45 pm to Porky
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I'll always believe that there were some people at Auburn who had their sights dead set on Gus in some capacity after our '06 season. Here's an Arkansas team that went 4-7 in '05 and starts SEC play in '06 with 3 wins, including wins over Alabama and highly ranked Auburn. I don't think they realized that a whole lot of Arkansas' success that year was due to the tremendous amount of talent on that team. But Gus had their full attention.
Tuberville was still winning but started having offensive woes in '08 after hiring Tony Franklin as OC, who was not IMO, the preferred hire. Anyway, as expected, Tuberville started to lose more games.
Hence, hire the Chiz and bring Gus in as the new OC, knowing the Chiz would would eventually flop whenever Gus leaves for a HC position.
...and Bingo.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:48 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
I was waiting on that.
Hey, NorthGwinnettTiger, thanks for the laugh. BTW, I actually do believe the part about knowing that Chiz would flop after Malzahn leaving.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:11 pm to Porky
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I'll always believe that there were some people at Auburn who had their sights dead set on Gus in some capacity after our '06 season.
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Tuberville was still winning
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Tony Franklin as OC, who was not IMO, the preferred hire.
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Anyway, as expected,
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knowing Chizik would would eventually flop
quote:So you're saying people @ Auburn could see seven fricking years into the future?
us leaves for a HC position.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:20 pm to joeyb147
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So you're saying people @ Auburn could see seven fricking years into the future?
No.
I wasn't expecting piggilicious to believe all of it either. Most of us are well acquainted with the Gus situation. Some of it is true IMO, but I was exaggerating just a tidbit in order elicit a response, especially by placing Tuberville into the equation. However, it is a fact that Gus was getting some national attention at the time and even more so after the '06 Auburn game.
And I do think Gus was more than likely expected to return to Auburn after he took the Arkansas State job, even before Gene did the flop. A lot of people saw it coming. Hell, I expected it. And he's not at all a bad coach.
As Forrest Gump might say, "Auburn and Gus...they're like peas and carrots".
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:21 pm to Arksulli
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If our AD decides in a few years that Bert isn't who we want then we pay him to leave, people grumble for a week or two... and then its over. Gus would have been Nutt 2.0 if things hadn't worked out, but even worse.
ding ding ding, give the man his prize
hiring gus would've led to major splitting of the fanbase if he had success or not. plus it would've opened old wounds left over from the nutt ordeal. our best option was to hire a proven head coach out of the in state good ole boy network, that if it didn't workout wouldn't divide our fanbase even more when he was let go.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:46 pm to Tigerman97
Gus' #1 supporter is now the head of the Southern Baptist Convention and built a super church w/ global reach on the backs of Tyson $ and Shiloh Football.
Gus supporters are just as awful as Nutt supporters.
Gus supporters are just as awful as Nutt supporters.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 2:07 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Gus supporters are just as awful as Nutt supporters.
It can become a cult-like 'discipleship' if/when it gets to that level.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:07 pm to Porky
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Hey, NorthGwinnettTiger, thanks for the laugh. BTW, I actually do believe the part about knowing that Chiz would flop after Malzahn leaving.
I can promise you nobody at Auburn in anyway believed CGC would flop in the manner he did 2 years after winning a national title. I do believe once it was evident CGC was flopping Gus was always the guy in the crosshairs.
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Hell, I expected it. And he's not at all a bad coach.
You believed Auburn was going to 3-9 in 2012. Nobody believes you believed that …you didn't even believe Arkansas would beat Auburn on the Saturday in 2012 when they played each other…Non Sense
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:30 pm to hawgfaninc
I think people forget that Long interviewed Malzahn before hiring Petrino.
Of course jumped in the car and drove straight to Fayetteville for the opportunity.
The questions in the interview were more in line with an exit interview than an interview for an open position...
Second time around Long had no interest in Gus, no matter the phone calls he made to NWA and Ft. Smith begging people to persuade Long into giving him one.
Of course jumped in the car and drove straight to Fayetteville for the opportunity.
The questions in the interview were more in line with an exit interview than an interview for an open position...
Second time around Long had no interest in Gus, no matter the phone calls he made to NWA and Ft. Smith begging people to persuade Long into giving him one.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:59 pm to DaleDenton
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The questions in the interview were more in line with an exit interview than an interview for an open position...
Forgive me if I don't believe a regular ranter knows the inner workings of the Arkansas football head coach interview.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:22 pm to Tigerman97
That's fine.
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