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Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:50 am to Nissanmaxima
Ware is a talented and hard nosed RB. I think many LSU fans value him higher than maybe he should be simply because he plays for LSU. The same happens with fans of other teams.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:50 am to binky56
quote:Nope. I am a fan that can look objectively at Hilliard and Lacy and say that Lacy has been better so far.
You must have been one of this auburn fans thinking you were going to win bc we didn't have ware. May I introduce you to Kenny hilliard
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:51 am to Nissanmaxima
hilliard and fowler are from the same mold. really a push. both guys will frick your defense up
lacy and ford are pretty close. really a push. each may be a little better at certain areas
but TR3 is definitely better than ware.
lacy and ford are pretty close. really a push. each may be a little better at certain areas
but TR3 is definitely better than ware.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:52 am to hashtag
Of course you do, you're a homer. I think that it goes like this:
Richardson
Ware
Lacey
LSUs backups
Bama's backups
I also think that Bama has a better run blocking OL.
I'd agree with this. I also think if EL was on LSU, Tiger fans would be glad to have him. And if Ford was on Bama, Tide fans would be bragging on him. How any of them do their jobs is gonna boil down to the bulldozers up front, anyway.
Richardson
Ware
Lacey
LSUs backups
Bama's backups
I also think that Bama has a better run blocking OL.
I'd agree with this. I also think if EL was on LSU, Tiger fans would be glad to have him. And if Ford was on Bama, Tide fans would be bragging on him. How any of them do their jobs is gonna boil down to the bulldozers up front, anyway.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:53 am to ALcapone
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hilliard and fowler are from the same mold. really a push. both guys will frick your defense up
I'm gonna have to give a huge edge to Hilliard here. Fowler looks slow.
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lacy and ford are pretty close. really a push. each may be a little better at certain areas
Absolutely. Both are vision runners, Ford has quite a bit more speed and Lacy has a little more power.
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but TR3 is definitely better than ware.
This is obvious.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:55 am to Nissanmaxima
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Point is.. both teams starters has come out during big leads. It's natural for your backups to post gaudy stats against beaten down and inferior competition. That is why it's stupid to look at Lacy and Fowlers ypc. That's why backups tend to have higher ypc than the starter.
Then all of this. ALL OF THIS, is subjective. There's no determinable factor to contrast any of these RB's, if raw numbers are thrown out. "He hits harder than the other guy" cannot be proven. Even 40 times are questionable, because you don't wear pads or dodge linebackers while running your 40.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:55 am to bmy
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If Hart was healthy I'm sure those would be his carries, and his ypc would also be stupid high.
i dont think hart would have replaced lacy as 2nd string. not under saban, anyways. saban likes his big bruisers. little guys, not so much. hart definitely is talented and would have made a niche for himself, but next year, IF lacy doesnt go to the draft. he'll be the starter and hart the back up
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:55 am to SoFla Tideroller
My rankings for these two teams' Rbs:
TR
Lacy/Ware/Ford (not much separation, but in that order)
Hilliard
Blue
Fowler
ETA: Full disclosure-I had low expectations of Lacy and he has really impressed me. Due to my initial low expectations, I may be slightly over valuing him here.
TR
Lacy/Ware/Ford (not much separation, but in that order)
Hilliard
Blue
Fowler
ETA: Full disclosure-I had low expectations of Lacy and he has really impressed me. Due to my initial low expectations, I may be slightly over valuing him here.
This post was edited on 10/27/11 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:00 pm to 12
Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:02 pm to TwinkleToez
Worst gif execution ever.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:02 pm to ALcapone
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i dont think hart would have replaced lacy as 2nd string. not under saban, anyways. saban likes his big bruisers. little guys, not so much. hart definitely is talented and would have made a niche for himself, but next year, IF lacy doesnt go to the draft. he'll be the starter and hart the back up
yeah that's what i mean, Hart would be getting the 3rd string carries and lacy would have around 35% of his carries with a 15+ lead. Harts and Fowlers would be closer to 60-80%
This post was edited on 10/27/11 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:11 pm to bmy
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I'm gonna have to give a huge edge to Hilliard here. Fowler looks slow.
fowler has touchdowns of 69 yards and 49 yards this year. he's not that slow brah. he's not the fastest guy on the team by any means, and he might be the slowest running back on our team. but he aint slow. plus, speed is not really his strong point. he's capable of scoring long runs by using his vision, one cut, and a whole lot of power. he's never gonna be a guy who burns you on a speed sweep.
but i dont see why yall think Hilliard is so much faster. i'm positive he hasnt broken any long runs and he seems to be a guy who uses, vision, one cut, and a lot of power.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:19 pm to ALcapone
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fowler has touchdowns of 69 yards and 49 yards this year. he's not that slow brah. he's not the fastest guy on the team by any means, and he might be the slowest running back on our team. but he aint slow. plus, speed is not really his strong point. he's capable of scoring long runs by using his vision, one cut, and a whole lot of power. he's never gonna be a guy who burns you on a speed sweep.
but i dont see why yall think Hilliard is so much faster. i'm positive he hasnt broken any long runs and he seems to be a guy who uses, vision, one cut, and a lot of power.
Only long run I saw of Fowlers was his run against Ole Miss.. and he went untouched through a massive hole. I haven't really seen him use much power.
Hilliard showed some good speed, sick vision and power. Some shiftiness too. As far as the pure talent of LSU RBs, he's (Ford #1) #2 or #3, I think. I don't know if he runs as tough as Ware day in and day out, few do.
Les Miles loves him some Hilliard..
This post was edited on 10/27/11 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:24 pm to bona fide
Bama has a considerably better run blocking OLine. In general LSU backs have to bang their way through the holes. I've seen several times both Lacy & TR don't get touched until they've gained momentum and are already past the line of scrimmage for the 1st contact.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:46 pm to ottothewise
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Richardson is the real deal. Richardson is the entire game for Bama.
If Bama had 3 Lacy's and no Richardson, LSU would win by 20.
I would rather have Ford than Lacy.
Lacy has limited mobility. he is a fullback. Lacy needs the Bama line to be premier.
There's so much good stuff here. Well done. Posted on 10/27/11 at 12:50 pm to bmy
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Only long run I saw of Fowlers was his run against Ole Miss.. and he went untouched through a massive hole. I haven't really seen him use much power.
he's 6'1" 250, brah, he's got more power than any other back on bama. when he first got on campus he played both ways and they said he was the hardest hitting linebacker in practice.
this is fowler's running style: one cut, downhill, wide base, low pad level.
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he went untouched through a massive hole
to go 69 yards untouched i think you gotta be adequately fast
This post was edited on 10/27/11 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 10/27/11 at 1:34 pm to ALcapone
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to go 69 yards untouched i think you gotta be adequately fast
I dunno. I've seen some slow arse RBs bust long runs before
You catch a safety blitzing and there is no one in front of you. It's hard to catch even a slower RB from behind He's huge for sure. I'm just not buying the Fowler hype, partly due to how Alabama fans hype up their backups. LSU fans do it too, but Bama fans are the best at it.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 1:46 pm to bmy
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Alabama fans hype up their backups. LSU fans do it too, but Bama fans are the best at it.
aubs take it to a whole nother level. and arky does it with their QBs.
bama fans do it because most of us follow 'crootin pretty close. plus, in recent years we've been replacing shula recruits with saban recruits and honestly, a lot of times our backups were more talented than the starters
Posted on 10/27/11 at 1:51 pm to bmy
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Bmy
You do realize your "50% of Lacy's carries come with Bama up by 15" argument is flawed in numerous areas.
1) if true, then it means he is running with little to no pass threat because teams know we're running clock. They can stack the box on D in that case (what % of his carries come with 7 or 8 in the box? That's a better question)
2) he comes in every 3rd series, so he gets typically 2-3 possessions in the first half. That means he gets carries early before the defense is worn down, as you argued.
3) what is your source for that % of carries with 15+ point lead? Without citing a source your argument has zero credibility
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