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re: Gumps, who do you consider your second biggest rival?
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:06 pm to RickyTicky
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:06 pm to RickyTicky
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RickyTicky
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Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:09 pm to imjustafatkid
I suppose you're right. But if you're around here long enough you see plenty of people completely contradict themselves because they aren't capable of a coherent thought lasting more than two sentences 
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:10 pm to NYCAuburn
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just find a bunch of hypocrisy with this, since bama did the exact same thing to Auburn(albeit a half century ago)but to a greater extent
You seem generally like you are a reasonable poster and I have a serious question: who are you referring to? AU fans always allude to UA supporters putting up AU accusers but I’ve never really seen the proof. On the other hand, it appears to be pretty definitive that AU supporters put up Gene Jelks via payments through Atlanta lawyers while he was accusing Bama. So both schools may have a gripe there, I don’t know. That's not really my point anyway, I'm just curious what AU fans are talking about when they say Bama reported AU.
With all that being said, the two situations above (and let’s just assume they are both true) are apples and oranges compared to Fulmer’s involvement with UA. FULMER WAS SPREADING STUFF HE KNEW WAS NOT TRUE!!! And he was the head coach at UT! You expect some degree of professionalism out of a coach that you may not see in a crazy fringe fan group. The closest comparison I can think of is think how outrageous it would be if Chizik was pulling the strings behind AU’s nutjob Operation Red Dog thingy, who’s MO it appeared to be bring down an opponent through false accusations.
This post was edited on 3/20/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:14 pm to BreakawayZou83
I live in Knoxville and majority of the radio callers consider Bama their most hated rivals.
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:19 pm to thatthang
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I have a serious question: who are you referring to?
Search for the reason why Auburn got a major infraction in 1958
Everything you just described about fulmer and bama regarding the means era, well you can say the same and add some more
I am pretty sure there was some meddling from bama in one of the 78/79 infractions as well. I forget the exact details
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:24 pm to Lost Cajun in Tn
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I live in Knoxville and majority of the radio callers consider Bama their most hated rivals
I have no doubts we are UT's biggest rival
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:35 pm to NYCAuburn
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Search for the reason why Auburn got a major infraction in 1958 Everything you just described about fulmer and bama regarding the means era, well you can say the same and add some more
Thanks for the response. Interesting- I will check that out when I have some free time. I thought the gripe was about Ramsey.
Maybe it will be as bad as you say, but I’m going to state right now I doubt in the instances you just cited you had lies being purposely reported (in addition to the truths), and I am nearly positive Bryant wasn't doing the dirty work, and I am 100% certain he wouldn't report stuff he knew was untrue. It kind of just seems like this is an urban legend spread by AU fans who never include the details (kind of like how most pointed to UA for their Cam woes when to any reasonable observer the trail clearly lead to Starkville and Gainesville), but who knows I’ve been wrong before.
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:39 pm to thatthang
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had lies being purposely reported
Check
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Bryant wasn't doing the dirty work
right before bryant but was coaching and adminstration, there was some speculation that Bryant had a hand in it from Texas AM looking for the Bama job, but I chalk that one up to the tin foil hats
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urban legend spread by AU fans who never include the details
I believe even Vince dooley corrobrated
Posted on 3/20/12 at 3:45 pm to NYCAuburn
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had lies being purposely reported Check
Well I look forward to reading about it. Got to get some work done now but if you have any links please post here as a quick google search yielded random references to 1958 on different SEC blogs but nothing that really looked trustworthy or nonbiased (either pro or anti AU).
Good day.
Posted on 3/20/12 at 4:06 pm to HogBoxer
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lsu has been a powerhouse for 9-11 seasons.
More in the 9 range than the 11. Even then there are a few 8-9 win seasons. But that kind of talk isn't allowed on TD.
Posted on 3/20/12 at 5:58 pm to BreakawayZou83
Mouthwash
Posted on 3/21/12 at 12:41 pm to NYCAuburn
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had lies being purposely reported Check
NYC,
After looking into this matter some more I am forced to conclude that the theory that Alabama brought down Auburn in ‘58 and ’79 through manipulation and lies is an absolute fabrication perpetuated by your stereotypical paranoid, always quick-to-play-the-victim-card AU fanbase who thinks UA is behind all of their woes.
I looked into it and I could not find any reputable source connecting Alabama to those instances, and it just reminds me so much of all the AU writers (and of course message boarders) crying at the top of their lungs that Bama was conducting the Cam investigation when it was quite obvious to anyone following the story that any stories getting leaked were coming out of Gainesville and Starkville, not Tuscaloosa and Mobile. You seem like a pretty reasonable guy and all you can say is “well it happened” without proving any source even suggesting this connection; it is pretty clear to me that you guys read about this on Never to Yield or Something and just pass it along as truth. Stop blaming UA for all of your problems. And stop always playing the victim card. /end rant.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 12:49 pm to thatthang
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Stop blaming UA for all of your problems. And stop always playing the victim card. /end rant.
So UA fans dont blame other people/schools for their problems?
And the 1958 probation was a direct result of Bama coaches/assistant coaches pulling a fulmer. DWI
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could not find any reputable source
So I will set up this response with a question and your answer will give my response. Do you think the story/words from jelks are a reputable source as far as Bama fans blaming Auburn?
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 12:55 pm to DonDraper
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Biggest rival Alumni= UT Sidwalk fans= AU
Educated fans= UT uneducated=AU
So what you're saying is Auburn is far and away the biggest rival by poling the fan base.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:47 pm to NYCAuburn
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So UA fans dont blame other people/schools for their problems?
Some do, for sure. But the main point from that quote that I would point out is the victim card portion. AU is over the top with that. But anyway to stay on subject with the Fulmer example, yes, a minority of the lower intelligence fans probably imply Bama was innocent and Fulmer is 100% responsible for Bama getting hammered by the NCAA. But the reasonable ones that I feel are in the majority on this issue hate Fulmer not for calling Bama out (Spurrier did this publicly several times and I don't think many Bama fans have a problem with him besides the fact that he's just kind of a jerk); it's the immoral and deceitful way Fulmer conducted his business.
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And the 1958 probation was a direct result of Bama coaches/assistant coaches pulling a fulmer. DWI
It's actually not that I can't find a 'reputable' source stating this, it's that I couldn't find ANY source showing this connection.
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could not find any reputable source So I will set up this response with a question and your answer will give my response. Do you think the story/words from jelks are a reputable source as far as Bama fans blaming Auburn?
Like I said, I found no source so anything you provide would be more than I have seen regarding ‘58. But to answer your question I’d like to first acknowledge that this issue will inherently be full of a lot of 'he said/ he said' so I think everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Let's be honest, both programs have plenty of experience paying players, so the evidence is usually not as black and white as copies of old checks or recordings of benefits being given. In Jelks case I do trust the story that was corroborated by him and multiple members of his family (the family, by the way, didn’t want him to provide info against Bama). Looking at Jelks I don’t see a liar and I do not see any bitterness to AU that would cause him to make that part up. I see all the bitterness towards UA and Curry. I see a man on the road to recovery who seems to value openness as a means of recovery. And it is pretty easy to prove he was being taken care of in ATL while he was proving information, all though that does not necessarily imply an AU connection. So long story short, I think accusations alone of course should be taken with a grain of salt but if you have any quotes or something by AU players involved in the ’58 infractions implicating Alabama’s involvement via nefarious activity I would love to see that.
Either way I have enjoyed the back and forth as this is an issue I’ve never seen addressed below the surface.
waiting for someone to chime in with a tl,dr
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:49 pm to piggidyphish
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So what you're saying is Auburn is far and away the biggest rival by poling the fan base.
Haha, you just worry about securing those summer tour tickets, hippie!
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:55 pm to thatthang
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Haha, you just worry about securing those summer tour tickets, hippie!
And miss a summer hanging with all the bama banged spreadnecks...no way.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:58 pm to thatthang
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In Jelks case I do trust the story that was corroborated by him and multiple members of his family .
Yet you dont think the AU player and his families word in the 58' case are not a reliable source?
It was in a book so I cant copy and paste. But player directly stated that bama coaches and private PI's hired by bama coaches lied and fabricated evidence. They also tried to pay him not to go to Auburn. This was also confirmed by Vince Dooley who had coached at Auburn during the time but confirmed while at UGA
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:08 pm to NYCAuburn
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Yet you dont think the AU player and his families word in the 58' case are not a reliable source?
While I can tell you’re a smart enough guy sometimes it is quite obvious that you intentionally cherry pick only the segments of something someone writes that you feel like responding to. I very clearly stated at the end of the paragraph that if you had any quotes by AU players implicating Bama it is more than I have and I’d love to see it. While you still haven’t really provided a source I have no problem stating that that what you wrote, if as you described, is shady.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:12 pm to piggidyphish
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And miss a summer hanging with all the bama banged spreadnecks...no way.
Might as well- no Panic tour for you or me.
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