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Grudges, politics and gentlemen’s agreements: The chaotic history of SEC scheduling
Posted on 4/28/23 at 9:19 am
Posted on 4/28/23 at 9:19 am
From the Athletic: LINK
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Johnny Vaught was bringing a powerhouse Ole Miss team to Auburn that October day in 1953. His Rebels, on a 13-game winning streak, were heavy favorites over third-year coach Ralph Jordan’s Tigers, who hadn’t had a winning record in more than a decade. But in front of a near-sellout crowd of 20,000 fans at Cliff Hare Stadium, Auburn running back (and future Alabama governor) Fob James ran all over Ole Miss, and quarterback (and future Georgia football coach and athletic director) Vince Dooley ably guided the Tigers to a 13-0 upset.
As his players piled into the team bus, Vaught stood in front of them and proclaimed: “Boys, get a good look. No Ole Miss team will ever come here again.”
And it did not, for another 20 years. Even though the programs were in bordering states. Even though both played in the Southeastern Conference. Because Vaught, like any head coach at the time, could just decide not to play certain teams, and that was that.
Long before the divisions of the SEC East and West, conference scheduling was more like the Wild West. Opponents chosen based on win probability. Matchups arranged or canceled because of personal relationships. Co-champions declared because undefeated teams didn’t play each other.
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In the two decades after World War II, Alabama and Ole Miss were perhaps the SEC’s two biggest powers. Ole Miss won six conference titles and claimed three national titles between 1944-65; Alabama won four conference titles and claimed two national titles.
And in those 21 years, they didn’t play each other.
“We were always told that Alabama wouldn’t play us. Later, I found out, the Alabama players were told it was because we refused to play them,” Robert Khayat, an Ole Miss player in the 1950s who later became the school’s chancellor, told longtime Mississippi sports writer Rick Cleveland.
What was the real reason? Vaught and Bear Bryant got along well, so Cleveland suspects that the two coaches had a gentlemen’s agreement: Why should we beat up on each other when there are so many other teams we can beat?
There were no parameters in place to make them play. The SEC office merely required teams to play at least six games to qualify for the conference championship. Bowls could invite whom they wanted, and the AP and UPI poll voters tended to vote for teams with the best records. So if Bryant and Vaught could avoid playing each other, that’s just what they would do.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:51 am to twk
Interesting take and probably true to a great degree.
The only question I have is about The Bear ducking Ole Miss ... doesn't seem to jive with history when he kept trying to schedule So Cal, Michigan and Ohio State and they kept ducking him.
I do know Vaught and Bryant were friends. That's not only well documented but it used-to-be common knowledge. It made have had more-to-do with their friendship than with not wanting to beat-up on one another. Neither of those men cared about stuff like that back in the day.
I know Spook Murphy and John Cobb both told me one time they had a hard time scheduling either program because both coaches felt like they had nothing to gain and everything to lose ... especially after Memphis State beat Ole Miss in 1960 (I think it was.) I wanna say Memphis beat Bama in the 80s but I may be remembering another program late in The Bear's career.
Scheduling was always an issue for everyone, particularly independents, through the 70s and 80s.
In the modern era, post WWII, late 40s through the 80s, the Midwest and West Coast media controlled TV, Polls, coverage, etc., so it wasn't until The Bear's breakthroughs, and later Bowden's at FSU, that the biased media was forced to recognize teams, and players, from the South ... and nothing has been the same since.
But there were some coaches, Shug Jordan was one, Wally Butts was another, who other coaches simply did not like for various reasons.
The only question I have is about The Bear ducking Ole Miss ... doesn't seem to jive with history when he kept trying to schedule So Cal, Michigan and Ohio State and they kept ducking him.
I do know Vaught and Bryant were friends. That's not only well documented but it used-to-be common knowledge. It made have had more-to-do with their friendship than with not wanting to beat-up on one another. Neither of those men cared about stuff like that back in the day.
I know Spook Murphy and John Cobb both told me one time they had a hard time scheduling either program because both coaches felt like they had nothing to gain and everything to lose ... especially after Memphis State beat Ole Miss in 1960 (I think it was.) I wanna say Memphis beat Bama in the 80s but I may be remembering another program late in The Bear's career.
Scheduling was always an issue for everyone, particularly independents, through the 70s and 80s.
In the modern era, post WWII, late 40s through the 80s, the Midwest and West Coast media controlled TV, Polls, coverage, etc., so it wasn't until The Bear's breakthroughs, and later Bowden's at FSU, that the biased media was forced to recognize teams, and players, from the South ... and nothing has been the same since.
But there were some coaches, Shug Jordan was one, Wally Butts was another, who other coaches simply did not like for various reasons.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:54 am to scrooster
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Johnny Vaught
What a puss.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 12:24 pm to scrooster
quote:Coach Bryant knew that by playing schools up North and out West, he'd have a better chance recruiting black athletes. He said as much in his SI interviews.
The only question I have is about The Bear ducking Ole Miss ... doesn't seem to jive with history when he kept trying to schedule So Cal, Michigan and Ohio State and they kept ducking him.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 12:27 pm to twk
A very good history lesson....and it's true.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 12:37 pm to twk
SEC scheduling was a weird deal prior to divisions.
That's why Arkansas and LSU have played each other 66 times, while LSU has only played Auburn 54 times, TN 33 times, and UGA 32 times.
The only SEC teams Ole Miss has played more times than they've played Arkansas are State, LSU and Vandy.
That's why Arkansas and LSU have played each other 66 times, while LSU has only played Auburn 54 times, TN 33 times, and UGA 32 times.
The only SEC teams Ole Miss has played more times than they've played Arkansas are State, LSU and Vandy.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 12:42 pm to twk
I certainly think that such ideas had important influence on how the schedule was done.
However, the article talks about how Johnny Vaught and Bear Bryant agreed to not play each other for the 20 years after WWII. Pretty big hole in that narrative: Bryant didn't get to Alabama until 1958 (his first game there was against an LSU team that would win the national title). Yes, Bryant won two national titles in those years, but those were in the 1960s. Bama under Ears Whitworth was terrible-the worst years of their history. Ole Miss wasn't ducking them in some type of "Let us both win big by not playing each other" scheme.
However, the article talks about how Johnny Vaught and Bear Bryant agreed to not play each other for the 20 years after WWII. Pretty big hole in that narrative: Bryant didn't get to Alabama until 1958 (his first game there was against an LSU team that would win the national title). Yes, Bryant won two national titles in those years, but those were in the 1960s. Bama under Ears Whitworth was terrible-the worst years of their history. Ole Miss wasn't ducking them in some type of "Let us both win big by not playing each other" scheme.
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