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re: Fournette>Chubb
Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:10 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:10 pm to djsdawg
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95 carries for 389 yards in 4 November games is "falling off big time."
Who knew 4 games constituted the 2nd half of the season?
"We saw LF fall off big time in the 2nd half of the season"
Which way are you going to move the goalposts this time?
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Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:18 pm to RB10
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Delusion at it's finest in back to back posts. Nice.
Thanks for proving my point about the hypocrisy of each fan base from earlier, by the way.
Interesting for you to bring up "delusion":
The 18 game comparison is obviously very fair, which is probably why you haven't tried to discredit it by explaining HOW or WHY it is NOT fair.
Instead, You attempted to discredit the 18 game comparison by saying no one else did such comparisons, but thats not true.
Basically, you failed to discredit the comparison in any meaningful way, yet you claim otherwise, which is an example of YOUR delusion. How ironic.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:22 pm to RB10
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Who knew 4 games constituted the 2nd half of the season?
"We saw LF fall off big time IN the 2nd half of the season"
Which way are you going to move the goalposts this time?
Those 4 games are obviously "in the 2nd half of the season", so the goalposts remain in place. Try again.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:25 pm to djsdawg
Dude, we all get it. You think Chubb is "clearly" better than Fournette because he was better in 2014.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:26 pm to djsdawg
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Those 4 games are obviously "in the 2nd half of the season", so the goalposts remain in place. Try again.
There were also two other games "in the 2nd half of the season", so why would you exclude them in your argument?
Oh that's right, because it made your statement look stupid.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:00 pm to RB10
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Dude, we all get it. You think Chubb is "clearly" better than Fournette because he was better in 2014.
My main point is that you have failed miserably trying to discredit the most fair comparison of them all.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:10 pm to RB10
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I'm also probably one of only 5 LSU/UGA posters here who will admit that if I had to give up my RB, and take the other, I'd be perfectly fine with it because they are 1a. and 1a-a, when Chubb is healthy.
Id consider myself one of those 5.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:12 pm to djsdawg
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My main point is that you have failed miserably trying to discredit the most fair comparison of them all.
The only person failing miserably is you. You want everyone to acknowledge that Chubb was better over the first 18 games of their careers because you, and only you, think it's the only fair comparison. In the same breath, you want to completely disregard the fact that in the first 5 games of 2015, Fournette was markedly more productive.
In short, you want everyone to agree with you that Chubb was better because of 2014, while refusing to acknowledge that Fournette is as good because of 2015.
It's hypocritical, at best, and makes you look like an idiot. I'm done with you.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:19 pm to RB10
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Chubb also had 146 yards vs the 2015 Alabama defense on 20 attempts
But he also had 63 yards on 19 carries. Using the Bama game as a gauge to "who is better" or even whether or not either is any good at all is dumb. They were both totally shutdown by Bama until it didn't matter anymore.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:23 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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But he also had 63 yards on 19 carries. Using the Bama game as a gauge to "who is better" or even whether or not either is any good at all is dumb. They were both totally shutdown by Bama until it didn't matter anymore.
I love how people bend stats to make their points. BTW, LF didn't do anything against Bama's second teamers while Chubb did.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:28 pm to RB10
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There were also two other games "in the 2nd half of the season", so why would you exclude them in your argument?
Oh that's right, because it made your statement look stupid.
Did it make my statement look stupid, or is this gonna be another one of your awful points? Lets see:
1-5: 119 carries for 1022 yards, 8.58 YPC
6-13: 181 carries for 931 yards, 5.14 YPC
Sorry man, that is in fact quite the drop off, so chalk this up as another failure for you.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:30 pm to djsdawg
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Sorry man, that is in fact quite the drop off, so chalk this up as another failure for you.
At this point, I have to think you're trying to look like a moron.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:34 pm to RB10
Here are the stats that you've been looking at:
2014:
Chubb - 219 for 1547, 7.1 avg, 14 TD
LF - 187 for 1034, 5.5 avg, 10 TD
1st 5 games of 2015:
Chubb - 91 for 745, 8.19 avg, 7 TD against the 1st, 33rd, 104th, and 109th NCAA ranked rushing defenses (avg. 54.25) and the 58th ranked FCS defense
LF - 119 for 1022, 8.59 avg, 12 TD against the 70th, 78th, 81st. 109th, and 127th NCAA ranked rushing defense (avg. 93)
So overall, I'd say Chubb was clearly better in 2014, Fournette was better in the 1st 5 games of 2015, Chubb is better against common opponents, Fournette has the more dynamic plays.
That work with everyone?
2014:
Chubb - 219 for 1547, 7.1 avg, 14 TD
LF - 187 for 1034, 5.5 avg, 10 TD
1st 5 games of 2015:
Chubb - 91 for 745, 8.19 avg, 7 TD against the 1st, 33rd, 104th, and 109th NCAA ranked rushing defenses (avg. 54.25) and the 58th ranked FCS defense
LF - 119 for 1022, 8.59 avg, 12 TD against the 70th, 78th, 81st. 109th, and 127th NCAA ranked rushing defense (avg. 93)
So overall, I'd say Chubb was clearly better in 2014, Fournette was better in the 1st 5 games of 2015, Chubb is better against common opponents, Fournette has the more dynamic plays.
That work with everyone?
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:36 pm to djsdawg
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1-5: 119 carries for 1022 yards, 8.58 YPC 6-13: 181 carries for 931 yards, 5.14 YPC Sorry man, that is in fact quite the drop off, so chalk this up as another failure for you.
Biggest reason for this had to be quality of opponents. The best teams they played in those first 5 games were Auburn (rushing defense sucked) and MSU.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:38 pm to djsdawg
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I love how people bend stats to make their points. BTW, LF didn't do anything against Bama's second teamers while Chubb did.
I wasn't bending any stats. They both were bad against Bama and comparing stats in a game like that is pointless, which is the only point I was making.
As to who is the better back, I already said in this post, Chubb was the better back in 2014, and LF in 2015. 2016 isn't a fair comparison unless Chubb dominates despite the injury. Who is the better back in college? We likely will never know. In the NFL? I hope we have reason to argue about that for a long time =)
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:45 pm to djsdawg
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6-13: 181 carries for 931 yards, 5.14 YPC
Saying someone with a 5.14 TPC fell off is really just pointing out how good they are to begin with.
Fournette's a great back. I think Chubb has better vision and that makes him more consistently effective but if Fournette was wearing a G I wouldn't be that upset about it. If they're both healthy, I'd take our guy but they're so close that the debate is kind of idiotic.
I just don't understand how one fan base can say the other one is head and shoulders above the other and completely ignore stats like they didn't happen. Chubb is at least as physically strong, just as fast with or without a ball and just as balanced so all the "Fournette" is stronger shite is exactly that - shite. He's impressive - so is Chubb. There's not much of a reason to puff your guy up. Anyone that's watched both of these kids should be able to see how great they both are.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:46 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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I wasn't bending any stats
You didn't use the whole game so you bent the stats to fit your argument.
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They both were bad against Bama and comparing stats in a game like that is pointless
They both played the whole game against Bama, even the substitutes so why through out those stats unless it benefits your player.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:51 pm to TouchdownBama
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Fournette > chub
No shite.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:51 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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You didn't use the whole game so you bent the stats to fit your argument.
I pointed this out in the other thread, but on Chubb's 83 yard run, 8 of Bama's 11 starters were in. It's not like he was playing all the walk-ons.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:53 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I pointed this out in the other thread, but on Chubb's 83 yard run, 8 of Bama's 11 starters were in. It's not like he was playing all the walk-ons.
That's about what I thought. I'm sure they were just taking the play off because the game was already in hand.
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