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re: Florida - As the swamp burns - Updated 2023 Deeprig continues to fan the flames

Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:51 pm to
So you're saying that he'll get the Championship this year? I want an answer.
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:52 pm to
Bro why are you still replying to this thread?
Posted by bigDgator
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:53 pm to
Why are you in this thread?

Why am I?
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Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:53 pm to
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So you're saying that he'll get the Championship this year? I want an answer.


I don't know that answer?


For Florida, what is an acceptable number of games that Grantham gives up 30+ points?
Posted by bigDgator
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:54 pm to
As many games as we score more than they do? That's a pretty easy question, got anymore?
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:58 pm to
Seems pretty easy to me, too.

I'm happy to have a top 20 defense with a .8 difference in scoring defense with Georgia. These aren't even Grantham's boys and one of our top CBs missed almost the entire season..
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:58 pm to
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Yep we fired a coach that went 4-7 (really should have been 2-9 when you consider how the Kentucky and Tennessee games were won) and replaced him with a coach that went 10-3 with the same roster full of 3 stars.


Wait... But in this very same thread, we've been told:

- That 4-7 record was influenced by a huge chunk of the roster being suspended for the entire season.
- We're supposed to ignore Late Mark Richt and only compare Kirby to the first 3 years of Richt's tenure, and be upset that we fired Richt only to get approximately equivalent performance as Richt years 1-3.


McElwain in his final season and Mullen in his first lost the same number of games against the SEC East... And Mullen didn't have the entire team suspended.

We can all pick contextually devoid statistics and perspectives to attempt to validate our beliefs. At this point, the "Kirby is Richt 2.0" is just a sad meme for UF fans. If Kirby drops off a cliff in the next couple of seasons performance/production wise, it might end up being accurate, but at this point, sure.. he's operating at levels similar to "Richt at his peak 2.0", which was pretty fricking good (almost every game would show active coaches listed by win percentage with Richt at or near the top back then)... And he knows that we have to recruit consistently on the LOS... so there's that.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:00 pm to
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As many games as we score more than they do? That's a pretty easy question, got anymore?


That's a good answer.

Prepare your offense :)
Make sure you have a great offensive coordinator and QB coach. He will have to do the heavy lifting.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:01 pm to
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I want an answer

I think there are about 1,000,000 outstanding questions that you've elected and/or refused to answer that we can filibuster this one til you're blue in the fricking face dude...

Championship or not this season, it literally wouldn't change the fact that we hired a better coach than we had in 2015. And he's at present one of only a handful of coaches who has taken a team to the CFP. Spin that however you'd like.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:03 pm to
What year do you expect a National Championship by? How many top 3 team talent composites in do you start to question why he can't get over the hill?
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:07 pm to
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I'm happy to have a top 20 defense


That's right. Your education in Grantham went over your head.

I expect a repeat for 2019.
Allowing 0-6 points to TN-Martin, Towson, FSU, and Northern Colorado.

And 30+ to Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and Missouri.

Nothing like leaving starters in late in games to pad stats and bump up Grantham's salary/bonus structure only to reveal your team's true merit against teams with equal or better talent.
Posted by Chad 23
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:12 pm to
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Make sure you have a great offensive coordinator and QB coach. He will have to do the heavy lifting.
We do, thanks for your concern though.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:12 pm to
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So you're saying that he'll get the Championship this year? I want an answer.



No, l specifically said it can be any given year. Do I really have to explain to you what that means?

I would rather continue to discuss how terrible your “same results” comment was. Do you finally understand why everyone considers it to be stupid?

Or maybe have you explain your imaginary straw man idea or your imaginary quotes idea, but we know both are loads of bs, or out of context at best, so I doubt you want to do that.
Posted by bigDgator
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

So you're saying that he'll get the Championship this year? I want an answer.




Get 'em Straws!



Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:13 pm to
We held Michigan to 2.2 Yards Per Carry on 30 attempts to finish the year. As the team gets more accustomed to the new system (they were a 4 - 3 in transition to a 3 - 4) I think they will be better. I have absolutely no problem with rough bumps during the first year.

shite, Kirby lost to Vanderbilt and gave up 510 yards to Ole Miss his first year while he had a decidedly better roster than what we had. Ole Miss didn't even bowl, baw.

Grantham didn't give up 500 yards to any team this season. Food for thought.
Posted by Chad 23
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:14 pm to
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That 4-7 record was influenced by a huge chunk of the roster being suspended for the for the entire season


Where did I say this?
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:17 pm to
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No, l specifically said it can be any given year. Do I really have to explain to you what that means?


So you think you'll probably have one in 5 years? I just want to know, you guys are saying he's so much better than Richt but they started out quite the same. Obviously the next step up is a championship.

I'm glad you don't think it's likely, though. Maybe you're more levelheaded than I thought.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:17 pm to
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happy to have a top 20 defense with a .8 difference in scoring defense with Georgia


In the first 8 games of sec play, uga gave up 18.8 ppg while Florida gave up 25.6.

That 0.8 turned into 6.8 rather easily. You really happy with your sec defense?

Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:18 pm to
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What year do you expect a National Championship by? How many top 3 team talent composites in do you start to question why he can't get over the hill?


Dabo became the HC at Clemson in 2008... it took him until 2016 to win his first, after failure in the CFP - (and they don't have to play Alabama just to get in). He's arguably got the best future forecasted value as a coach right now, if you figure Nick Saban can't keep doing this forever (he could of course decide to piss us all off and keep doing this for another decade plus I suppose). Behind those 2, who is there? If you ask a non-UF fan, most would likely group Smart and Riley in that next spot.

Excluding coaches Urban Meyer (UF & tOSU) and Nick Saban (Bama), which teams have really "hired" their way into successful national championships quickly and also maintained that success?

Auburn hired Chizik and won one, but that clearly didn't last. They hired Malzahn and had a quick hit but again, it didn't last.


You seem to be a huge fan of this "top team talent composite" as though the team that has been the stumbling block - Alabama - hasn't had both 1) a talent advantage and 2) a coaching advantage... Saban is tGOAT at this point and it's not terribly close. Saying that your coach in year 3 isn't as good of a coach as Saban at the height of his career is hardly some damning issue. The hope is that he's learning and growing himself... We did some things significantly better in 2018 against Alabama than we did in 2017... But depth on the defensive side of the ball ended up making it unsustainable (Cox was not a good substitute for Walker when got hurt... allowing Hurts to cause a lot of problems).
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:18 pm to
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We do, thanks for your concern though.


How many do you expect to put up against Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and Missouri?

I never classified Mullen as a great OC. Good QB coach, although he never really found a way to improve Fitzgerald over the years.
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