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re: Expectations in Oxford for 2012
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:42 pm to RebFeBrees
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:42 pm to RebFeBrees
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Sorry UMrebels mention of us both having newcomers in the backfield fired you up so much.
Our OL and QB situations are valid question marks going forward, but RB is not...
It fires me up over the implication that the overall situations are similar when they aren't.
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Show me where I have done this.
Show me where I said you had? It was a general statement.
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:47 pm to CoonassBulldog
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I actually did not realize this- good to know
When did perkins have 20+ rushes in a game?
I just looked up his 2011 and 2010 stats and in 2011 his highest was 12.. he actually had less than 10 rushes in all but 2 games
and 2010 it was 18, with him only having more than 10 rushes in 5 games.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:49 pm to LSUNV
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UTEP
Texas
@ Tulane
@ Bama
A&M
Auburn
@ Arky
@ UGA
Vandy
@ LSU
Miss St
3-9?
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:55 pm to engie
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Our OL and QB situations are valid question marks going forward, but RB is not...
How is your RB situation not? Your starting RB typically rushes less than 10 times per game had 87 rushes last year for 422 yards and 59 yards receiving behind a better OLine than ours, his backup has had a total of 16 touches and the other RB redshirted last year...
Our starting RB typically has more touches per game, had 119 rushes for 500+ yards and 99 yards receiving, our backup has been with the team for several years and has had more touches than your backup, and the other backup redshirted.
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It fires me up over the implication that the overall situations are similar when they aren't.
I didn't say the overall situations were the same, I just pointed out that State fans are claiming their offense should be one of the top in the SEC while they have question marks at QB, OL, and RB and average WRs.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:04 pm to umrebel2009
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Jeff scott has had 20+ carries in a game before too... why do you people keep pointing out things that apply for both teams like that makes your point?
Scott and Perkins have almost identical career numbers, I give you that much. The difference is that we don't expect to lean on Perkins to carry us. We actually expect him to get something like 130 carries, 700 yards, 3-5td. Jeff Scott's anticipated workload is truly daunting...
Scott is the only SEC-quality RB currently on your current roster IMO. Nick Parker rs his first year but where was he last year? He never got a touch, and your RB situation was dire by halftime of the BYU game. Had he been remotely close to SEC ready, he'd have been shouldering alot more of the burden last season. Same goes for Devin Thomas IMO...
I do believe that Mathers could potentially be a VERY good SEC back...It's just a shame he'll likely be thrown to the wolves as a tr FR behind that OL. If I am Freeze, I redshirt him regardless. Concede the present to build for the future(same thing we did with Joe Morrow, Tyler Russell, etc...)
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:10 pm to engie
Make sure you RS Quay and Autry while you're at it. Build for the future!
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:21 pm to engie
For the sake of conversation, Nick Parker has dropped a ton of weight and looked solid in the spring.
In general, I think it's safe to say that OM fans are hoping this staff can get more out of players with potential like Parker, Neat, Mosely, just to name a few who were under-utilized with the previous staff.
In general, I think it's safe to say that OM fans are hoping this staff can get more out of players with potential like Parker, Neat, Mosely, just to name a few who were under-utilized with the previous staff.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:22 pm to umrebel2009
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How is your RB situation not?
The difference is in expectations based on everything we've heard and what we know about the guys we'll have running(vs what we've heard from Freeze himself, along with Neal McReady, etc). Robinson and Griffin are both NFL potential guys. Their ceilings are both higher than that of Perkins IMO. Perkins is currently projected as the 16th best RB in the class of 2014, ~ a 5th rounder(nfldraftscout.com). Jeff Scott doesn't make the projections...
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:23 pm to engie
Glad you read OM message boards
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:25 pm to RebFeBrees
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For the sake of conversation, Nick Parker has dropped a ton of weight and looked solid in the spring.
In general, I think it's safe to say that OM fans are hoping this staff can get more out of players with potential like Parker, Neat, Mosely, just to name a few who were under-utilized with the previous staff.
That's very fair, IMO...
No reason to think that they won't get alot more out of ALL the players. If those coaches have a pulse, they'll get more out of them...
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:31 pm to RebFeBrees
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Glad you read OM message boards
Never been on an OM paysite... but I do listen 105.9 in the afternoons. Plus, one of my best friends is a UMAA Scholarship Club booster, so I do stay pretty caught up on the day-to-day...
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:33 pm to engie
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The difference is in expectations based on everything we've heard and what we know about the guys we'll have running(vs what we've heard from Freeze himself, along with Neal McReady, etc).
**Edit** After re-reading I believe you meant you are basing what has been said about your RBs vs what has been said about our RBs. I thought you were saying that what has been said about ours was slanted since it was coming from Freeze and Neal
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Robinson and Griffin are both NFL potential guys. Their ceilings are both higher than that of Perkins IMO.
You haven't even seen Robinson play yet but you already know he's NFL level with a higher ceiling than Perkins? I assume when you get days off from doing QB talent evaluations for the NFL you do RB evaluations
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:35 pm to LSUNV
In 2008 we were picked to finished last.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:42 pm to engie
Does the 16th best running back get drafted?
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:49 pm to umrebel2009
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I assume when you get days off from doing QB talent evaluations for the NFL you do RB evaluations
When did I ever do a QB evaluation? That's the hardest position in the game to project to the next level... RB is projectable with a much higher success rate.
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You haven't even seen Robinson play yet but you already know he's NFL level with a higher ceiling than Perkins?
I'm basing it on the fact that we've pretty much seen Perkins' ceiling...He's just not an every down back. Never has been, IMO. Doesn't mean he can't be good, he can... tremendous on screen passes, etc.
Our practices are only closed from August-November. The spring practices are open, as are bowl practices...
There was talk of Nick Griffin being as quick as Ballard with the bruising nature of Dixon by bowl practices of his redshirt year, but then he tore his ACL and missed an offseason. It was basically a full 1 yr setback for him. He was still less than 100% last season, but was still brilliant in the small flash of him we saw...
Josh Robinson has been the media darling of the team ever since they bowl practices opened last year. He's been compared to a bowling ball, impossible to arm tackle, etc...Everyone that's seen him practice(I haven't other than the spring game) say that he's the RB of the future. To be that for us, it means he is pretty dang good...
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:54 pm to JasonMason
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Does the 16th best running back get drafted?
nfldraftscout says it does... seemed a bit far fetched to me too...
From the 2013 draft(to show round projections based on slot)
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:55 pm to RebelWriter
And Nutter Butters was your coach 
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:55 pm to LSUNV
Ole Miss will be a lot better than last year. They might not win a lot of games but I'd be willing to bet they win at least 5.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:09 pm to Porky
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Ole Miss will be a lot better than last year. They might not win a lot of games but I'd be willing to bet they win at least 5.
They win 5 with their schedule next year, Hugh Freeze is(and should be) in the top 3 for national coach of the year.
Sometimes improvement doesn't really show up in a record. IMO next season is one of those times for them, just like 2009 was for us...
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:18 pm to engie
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They win 5 with their schedule next year, Hugh Freeze is(and should be) in the top 3 for national coach of the year.
Sometimes improvement doesn't really show up in a record. IMO next season is one of those times for them, just like 2009 was for us...
This is true. 5 may be a stretch after I remembered them playing Texas ooc but I'm convinced that Freeze is going to be very successful. It may take a couple of years.
Just remembered... I thought Orgeron was a great hire when he was hired as well, so it might be better if I refrain from getting too carried away with my thoughts on the matter.
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