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Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:43 pm to JPLSU1981
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IMO Notre Dame has a ceiling, and that’s Top10/playoff. I don’t think they’ll ever have the horses in modern CFB to win it all. Kelly knew that.
They wouldn't have the horses with Kelly recruiting for them.
His last 5 years ND's classes were 9th, 18th, 15th, 10th and 10th.
In his transition class, Freeman had ND at 7th last year. They're currently at 3rd now (ahead of LSU).
Not sure how good he is at preparing his teams and coaching the games, but Freeman is way better than Kelly at bringing in talent. Whatever talent cap that used to impact ND has disappeared now that Kelly left.
I actually think Freeman is doing a lot of what Kirby did coming into UGA.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:46 pm to DawginSC
Kelly recruiting better at LSU than he did at Notre Dame. But of course you leave that out 
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Richt would have won a title at LSU
Lol.
I love Richt... but he would have put the same teams up at both places. UGA has the same sort of advantages that LSU has (dominant teams in talent rich states bordering other talent rich states, huge financial support from boosters). But Richt's issues were a cap on recruiting (more of a 5-10 range guys than a 1-5 range guy), a loyalty to assistants who performed poorly, a series of mediocre at best assistant hires and an inability to recruit/develop consistently on the OL (fell in love with skill guys, ignored the lines a bit with recruiting).
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Kelly recruiting better at LSU than he did at Notre Dame. But of course you leave that out
Sure he is.
But he's behind notre dame in both the transition year and this year.
That kind of puts false to the idea that ND has a cap caused by the school... but rather than it was likely caused by the coach.
Kelly is 6th in per player talent average right now... he'll likely finish 6th in the final recruiting rankings. Last year he was 12th (behind ND at 7th).
LSU the 3 years before that? 3rd, 4th and 5th. LSU's recruiting is not better under Kelly... it's worse.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:53 pm to DawginSC
Les Miles and Ed Orgeron aren’t winning titles at UGA dude
Georgia has always had a DNA of choking that you’re only just now maybe getting over. I’ve been at these games where something goes wrong and the Georgia fans all tense up seeing the collapse coming, which absolutely impacts 18-22 year olds. Maybe it’s the Falcons fan half of you or something, I don’t know.
Richt was a victim of Georgia not the other way around.
Georgia has always had a DNA of choking that you’re only just now maybe getting over. I’ve been at these games where something goes wrong and the Georgia fans all tense up seeing the collapse coming, which absolutely impacts 18-22 year olds. Maybe it’s the Falcons fan half of you or something, I don’t know.
Richt was a victim of Georgia not the other way around.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Georgia has always had a DNA of choking that you’re only just now maybe getting over.
I'm sorry, but this is just idiotic. Schools don't have a "DNA", that's just something idiots believe. It's all about money, recruits and the quality of coaches.
Neither UGA nor LSU have problems with money or having access to quality recruits. If you exchange the coaches, the results will be the about the same as they were at the other school.
Yes, Les Miles would have won a title at UGA. If Orgeron had hired Arranda and Brady and brought in Burrow at QB to UGA... he would have won a title at UGA as well.
YOu're delving into make believe thinking there's some sort of magical mojo attached to schools that lead to success. It's about coaches, players and money. 100%.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:02 pm to Pandy Fackler
Good thing is, you'll be right or wrong.
I'll go with the latter
I'll go with the latter
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:03 pm to DawginSC
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But he's behind notre dame in both the transition year and this year.
That kind of puts false to the idea that ND has a cap caused by the school... but rather than it was likely caused by the coach.
#1 You can’t give Freeman all the credit for a class that signed less than a month after he got the job. It’s probably 80/20 credit to BK
#2 I have no idea what Notre Dame’s NIL situation is but that may have changed the landscape. Even if it didn’t, 1 class that hasn’t signed yet isn’t proof of anything
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LSU the 3 years before that? 3rd, 4th and 5th. LSU's recruiting is not better under Kelly... it's worse.
You know as well as I do the difference between 4th and 6th is probably pretty close and you can’t really take much away from that. Can you post the 24/7 total recruit points for those LSU classes and this one?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:04 pm to WylieTiger
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Our starters sure gave you a game didn't they
Your starters allowed Stetson Bennett to throw for 4 TDs in the first half.
In 30 starts, that is the first time Stetson threw 4 TDs in a game.
Imagine if he threw more than 5 times in the 2nd half.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:06 pm to DawginSC
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I'm sorry, but this is just idiotic. Schools don't have a "DNA"
Of course they do. The intangibles of a program are forged over the decades and absolutely impact the kids that come through and how the program is managed. It’s the difference between hoping to win and expecting to win.
As a Georgia fan I wouldn’t really expect you to understand. But deep down you know you’ve always expected Georgia to come up short in the big spot even up through last season.
Kirby is changing things there though so you’ve got that.
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Yes, Les Miles would have won a title at UGA
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:07 pm to Pandy Fackler
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A&M went real deep
Kelly lost his gag reflex in that game.
Well, he is #1 in LSU fan created penis videos.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:07 pm to WylieTiger
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Our starters sure gave you a game didn't they
thanks for the laugh
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:11 pm to meansonny
Earlier in the season when the LSU DLine in particular weren't so exhausted from the wear and tear of the entire season. These games were back to back.
Held the best offensive mind in the SEC Kiffin out of the endzone the last three and a half quarters of the game. Shut him out the second half. Who has ever done that to joey freshwater?
Held the reigning heisman winning QB out the endzone the first three quarters of the game. Anybody else did that to a saban offense? The only other one I can remember is LSU'11.
That's two of the top four scoring offenses in the SEC. LSU actually played six of the top seven scoring offenses in the SEC. Tigers came in at #6. LSU "D" did pretty good in four of those six. Two of the three worst defensive games of the season came in last two games. It was a depth issue.
LSU defense has a very bright future once the depth on that side of the ball is rebuilt.
Held the best offensive mind in the SEC Kiffin out of the endzone the last three and a half quarters of the game. Shut him out the second half. Who has ever done that to joey freshwater?
Held the reigning heisman winning QB out the endzone the first three quarters of the game. Anybody else did that to a saban offense? The only other one I can remember is LSU'11.
That's two of the top four scoring offenses in the SEC. LSU actually played six of the top seven scoring offenses in the SEC. Tigers came in at #6. LSU "D" did pretty good in four of those six. Two of the three worst defensive games of the season came in last two games. It was a depth issue.
LSU defense has a very bright future once the depth on that side of the ball is rebuilt.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:20 pm to DawginSC
LES MILES hired Dave Aranda.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:23 pm to 167back
tSECr spent 12 years telling us Les was an idiot who LSU won in spite of. Now that he’s gone they sing his praises
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:25 pm to meansonny
Don't you think not having the proper personnel to run a particular defense is a depth issue. LSU had six defensive lineman that played on the regular in a four man front. That's not much flexibility there partner.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:25 pm to 167back
LSU’s starting defensive front all played at least 52/72 snaps with BJ and Wingo both playing over 70 each.
Georgia didn’t have a single starter on their defensive front who played more than 42 of their 70 snaps.
Is what it is, have to build that depth back.
Georgia didn’t have a single starter on their defensive front who played more than 42 of their 70 snaps.
Is what it is, have to build that depth back.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:34 pm to meansonny
Very few of that LSU '16 signing class were still on the team in '19. There were about six players from that class that made major contributions to that team.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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You know as well as I do the difference between 4th and 6th is probably pretty close and you can’t really take much away from that. Can you post the 24/7 total recruit points for those LSU classes and this one?
Actually, it's not as close as you think.
Recruiting class rankings are more of a bell curve than a linear progression. Those at the outskirts (either very highly ranked or very low ranked) have bigger discrepancies than those in the middle.
For example... last year the difference between #1 and #5 was about 45 points according to 247. The difference between #6 and #10 was 18 points.
The other part that doesn't get reflected in overall rankings is the recruiting of elite playmakers. You can have a highly ranked class with just 4-stars. But it's generally not as good as a class with a few less points with some 5-star difference makers.
Right now only two teams in the top 10 of recruiting have zero 5-stars... LSU and UF. Last year LSU had 1 5-star. Again, that's Mark Richt levels of recruiting.
As for the totals, the class that was 4th had 298 points and had 3 5-stars (2020) with 22 commits. This year's class ranked #5 (who I believe will end up behind ohio state at 6th) has 282 points with 23 recruits (16 less points, 1 extra player). To give you context on what 16 points is... it's the difference between LSU at #5 right now and Oregon at #12 (265 points). It's not an insignificant difference.
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