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re: Everyone recognizes the 10 blueblood programs as the standard
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:27 am to DawgHolliday
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:27 am to DawgHolliday
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And even most of those schools no longer deserve a seat at the table for one reason or another. There are 4-5 seats tops. It’s too easy to disqualify everyone outside of Bama, OU, OSU and USC. It could also be argued that Miami is more deserving, despite being Nouveau Riche...after all, isn’t it the Riche that counts?
A non blue blood determining who deserves the status.. all while show casing they have no idea what being a blue blood programs means.
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:28 am to Bbobalou
Modify your list Gator. Everyone in the thread knows we are talking football here, except you.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:41 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Does Georgia pass Tennessee to join Alabama?
For what exactly ? Winning ONE sec title ?
This uga hype is hilarious. They are who they always have been, and it will never change. They will never win a title... not ever. They couldn't beat Bama with Bama playing with one QB tied behind their back for 2 quarters, and they had 500 seniors. If Tua starts that game Bama wins by 20+.
And when the new wears off, and the roster gets log jammed like Bama's all this recruiting momentum will dissipate, and the attitude of all those Georgia kids will become toxic. The meltdown will glow.
Not to mention what is being said about how Kirby shat all over his mentor on the way out the door with all his back stabbing trashy antics. Taking pictures of Bama recruiting board to show recruits ? What a fricking douche.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:45 am to PowHound
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Winning ONE sec title ?
How many has Tennessee won lately? Last one they won was 20 years ago. Georgia has won 3 since then, and came an eyelash away from a fourth.
However, no. I wouldn't put Georgia in the Blue Blood category. But then, again, I wouldn't put Tennessee in it, either.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:46 am to PowHound
forgot to mention that UGA won the East the year the East was the weakest its been ever.
Seriously when has the SEC East ever been this bad ? It's pathetic.
Seriously when has the SEC East ever been this bad ? It's pathetic.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:47 am to Drizzt
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Neither has sniffed a great season in almost a decade. Texas hasn’t been good since 2009.
I'm pretty sure people were saying the same thing about Alabama at the end of the '06 season when we were searching for our fourth coach in six or seven years.
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:48 am to PowHound
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They couldn't beat Bama with Bama playing with one QB tied behind their back for 2 quarters,
You mean the QB that won SEC Offensive player of the year award? And, keep in mind, we made you change QB's, so that alone tells you Saban was worried. If he thought Alabama could have won with Hurts in the game, he would have left him in.
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And when the new wears off, and the roster gets log jammed like Bama's all this recruiting momentum will dissipate,
Why? It didn't with Alabama. All of a sudden it will with Georgia? I have a feeling some people thought the same about Alabama 6-7 years ago.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:49 am to CapstoneGrad06
Tennessee ain’t a blueblood
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:53 am to 3rddownonthe8
Georgia isn't either. But they are close. Closer than Tn
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:56 am to RollTide1987
They aren’t in the club, so they want to rewrite the criteria to belong.
Give them a per decade or era “ blue blood” option so we can move along.
Give them a per decade or era “ blue blood” option so we can move along.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:56 am to DawgsLife
I agree.
There really is no changing who the blue bloods are. For example Clemson is not going to join the blue bloods because they won a Title, and have had some success lately.
Bama
USC
Texas
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
ND (blue blood that went broke a long time ago, but still gets invited to all the parties somehow)
There really is no changing who the blue bloods are. For example Clemson is not going to join the blue bloods because they won a Title, and have had some success lately.
Bama
USC
Texas
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
ND (blue blood that went broke a long time ago, but still gets invited to all the parties somehow)
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:03 pm to PowHound
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forgot to mention that UGA won the East the year the East was the weakest its been ever.
Also won the SEC and beat the SECW champion.So what's that make the West?
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:20 pm to VADawg
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It's 8, and Tennessee isn't one of them.
Alabama
Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
USC
Oklahoma
Texas
Nebraska
Texas should be in that list but not sure how they deserve it based on their history.
Nebraska is dead forever.
Michigan? Eh, 1/2 national title since guys were still coming home from WWII.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:21 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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They aren’t in the club, so they want to rewrite the criteria to belong.
Who does? Show me where we have tried to "rewrite the criteria", please. In fact, show me where we have said we should be considered a Blue Blood.
Don't look now, but Texas is in danger of losing it's Blue Blood status. You've got a great history, but Texas simply does not scare anybody and hasn't scared anybody for quite awhile. You have brought in several coaches that could have brought you back and they didn't. You've had the talent.
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Give them a per decade or era “ blue blood” option so we can move along.
I think you (Texas) can move along right now. You have one National Championship since 1977? Welcome to Georgia territory.
Your last Conference Championship was 2009? Now you aren't even in Georgia territory. Texas is as bad as Georgia has been since you've been alive. Worse, yet. Since I've been alive, and I am old.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:27 pm to RandySavage
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Texas should be in that list but not sure how they deserve it based on their history.
I thought so, until I started looking it up. They won a national Championship in 2005 (BCS) and before that? 1969. (it could be argued they won in 1970, but they lost the Cotton Bowl in 1970, so I'm not sure i would recognize that one. (They were, however, named a Natty by the Coaches Poll that year)
Mos of the Texas aura revolves around the 19760-1970 teams.
quote:Yeah. I'm not sure they will ever be able to recruit again enough to make another major impact.
Nebraska is dead forever.
quote:All three of these teams should be honored for their past histories, but it is hard to claim National Prominence based upon 60 years ago. Even we admit we have had good teams, but not National impact teams since 1980. Close? Yes. Cigar? No.
Michigan? Eh, 1/2 national title since guys were still coming home from WWII.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:34 pm to PowHound
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Bama
USC
Texas
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
ND (blue blood that went broke a long time ago, but still gets invited to all the parties somehow)
I have no problem with Blue Bloods having years in which they have struggled, but if those years stretch into 15-20, then it is time to take a look at it.
Texas, Nebraska, Michigan need to show some results fast, or I would take them out. They need to at least play for a National Title. now necessarily win it...but prove they can still play big time football. Winning a conference is not it. Play for a Natty.
(Just playing for a Natty does not get a team in, either, but Michigan, Texas and Nebraska has earned the benefit of the doubt with their past history. But past history will only get them so far, before they need to prove they still belong.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:43 pm to DawgsLife
Not sure why people associate blue blood with money...it's about prestige.
Like it or not bama getting into the CFP 2017 was about prestige. IMO they are the only team, save maybe USC, that gets in over tOSU with a conference title.
Last year tOSU getting in over Penn St. with a conference title is another example. There are probably 4 or 5 teams that would make the CFP if they didn't win their conference title and had lost head to head to the team that had won it.
In 2015 Stanford was a better team than Oklahoma based on the "eye test" but didn't get a chance cause "eye test" are only used to justify blue bloods like bama 2011.
It's not about money...it's about prestige.
There is a list of 4 to 5 blue bloods who will always get benefits of the doubt in close comparison scenarios. There is another list of 10-12 teams that will benefit in the same way assuming no blue blood is a part of the comparison. So long as CFB selects a champion based on subjective opinion...presitge will affect the outcome.
Like it or not bama getting into the CFP 2017 was about prestige. IMO they are the only team, save maybe USC, that gets in over tOSU with a conference title.
Last year tOSU getting in over Penn St. with a conference title is another example. There are probably 4 or 5 teams that would make the CFP if they didn't win their conference title and had lost head to head to the team that had won it.
In 2015 Stanford was a better team than Oklahoma based on the "eye test" but didn't get a chance cause "eye test" are only used to justify blue bloods like bama 2011.
It's not about money...it's about prestige.
There is a list of 4 to 5 blue bloods who will always get benefits of the doubt in close comparison scenarios. There is another list of 10-12 teams that will benefit in the same way assuming no blue blood is a part of the comparison. So long as CFB selects a champion based on subjective opinion...presitge will affect the outcome.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 1:01 pm to DawgsLife
So Miami has won 5 NC's over 3 decades with 4 different coaches.
That's better run than Michigan,Ohio State or Texas has ever been on.
That's better run than Michigan,Ohio State or Texas has ever been on.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 1:06 pm to Razor Dawg
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So Miami has won 5 NC's over 3 decades with 4 different coaches.
That sort of reveals the other side of the subjective nature of CFB championship selection. Miami due to location was awarded a sort of flavor of the month status that gave them prestige over similar programs in their level.
Clemson ultimately deserved to make the CFP this year, but you could feel pundits who "love" Dabo framing an argument to include them when there was concern about them not being in top 4 after the Syracuse loss. I remember hoping Gus and his unique offense might reach that status after 2013 and honestly he was getting that type of benefit until we butt fumbled away the A&M game in 2014. He hasn't totally recovered. Oregon got that type of flavor of the month status that translated into prestige under Kelly and I expect him to get some undeserved attention early on at UCLA...if he can capitalize on it it will continue. To Dabo's credit to date he has continued to capitalize on it.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 1:14 pm to Tigerman97
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Miami due to location was awarded a sort of flavor of the month status that gave them prestige over similar programs in their level.
Not sure where you're going here.They could easily have 2 more added to the 5.Their '86 and '02 teams were arguably the 2 best teams they had over that time frame.
Not much of a debate at all on their other 5 NC's.Yea,I get that AU is still pissy about '83
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 1:15 pm
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