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Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:41 pm to BornKjun
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:41 pm to BornKjun
I tried to take your idea and build a sheet for it.
The NFL numbers I found look to be a bit different than yours...I see QB's as only getting 13% of salary and other differ. But with my numbers and multiplying them by the numbers of starters like you have it looks like this so far with DB and ST to come.
I used
QB- 1 (1.131 mult)
RB - 1 (1.0724 mult)
WR/TE - 4 (1.2956 mult)
OL - 5 (1.3145 mult)
DL - 4 (1.3416 mult)
LB - 3 (1.279 mult)
DB - 4 (will be 1.312 mult)
NFL Salary Weighted Total Points
1. Tennessee - 77.49
2. Auburn - 77.01
3. Georgia - 75.87
4. Alabama - 74.85
5. LSU - 66.96
6. Miss St - 59.30
7. Arkansas - 56.83
8. Texas A&M - 56.77
9. Ole Miss - 46.58
10. Missouri - 45.98
11. Florida - 42.43
12. South Carolina - 41.26
13. Kentucky - 27.71
14. Vandy - 14.46
The NFL numbers I found look to be a bit different than yours...I see QB's as only getting 13% of salary and other differ. But with my numbers and multiplying them by the numbers of starters like you have it looks like this so far with DB and ST to come.
I used
QB- 1 (1.131 mult)
RB - 1 (1.0724 mult)
WR/TE - 4 (1.2956 mult)
OL - 5 (1.3145 mult)
DL - 4 (1.3416 mult)
LB - 3 (1.279 mult)
DB - 4 (will be 1.312 mult)
NFL Salary Weighted Total Points
1. Tennessee - 77.49
2. Auburn - 77.01
3. Georgia - 75.87
4. Alabama - 74.85
5. LSU - 66.96
6. Miss St - 59.30
7. Arkansas - 56.83
8. Texas A&M - 56.77
9. Ole Miss - 46.58
10. Missouri - 45.98
11. Florida - 42.43
12. South Carolina - 41.26
13. Kentucky - 27.71
14. Vandy - 14.46
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:53 pm to Ericvol2096
Awesome work ITT Ericvol 
All these statistics show me one thing. The Big Orange is back and VOLS are finna eat
All these statistics show me one thing. The Big Orange is back and VOLS are finna eat
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:00 pm to NorthGAVol
Talent and returning production show, no matter how you slice it, the Vols and Dawgs will be the class of the East and the Bammers and Plainsmen will be the class of the West.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:03 pm to Ericvol2096
so you're gonna get beat by the #10 team in the conference,,, (again)..
bert/butch gulpers still > pinky gulpers!
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:05 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:
You double weighted QB?
double weighting seems to be the vol way...
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:06 pm to Jagd Tiger
I'd bet significant money these rankings had Missouri ahead of TN last year.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:09 pm to Ericvol2096
quote:That wouldn't be hard to check would it?
I'd bet significant money these rankings had Missouri ahead of TN last year.
Would go a long way towards proving/disproving your system
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:34 pm to Ericvol2096
Just went back and calculated last year ratings for what ESPN released in June of 2014.
They were as follows (this is using my DL and OL x2 and QB & ST x1.5 formula).
1. Alabama - 127.5
2. Auburn - 111.5
3. South Carolina - 105
4. LSU - 103
5. Missouri - 98
6. Georgia - 95.5
7. Florida - 93
8. Miss St - 91
8. Ole Miss - 91
10. Texas A&M - 84.5
11. Arkansas - 45
11. Tennessee - 45
13. Kentucky - 33.5
14. Vandy - 31
Had a keystroke error on Vandy's OL score and gave them 28 pts when only were supposed to get 8.
Big change.
They were as follows (this is using my DL and OL x2 and QB & ST x1.5 formula).
1. Alabama - 127.5
2. Auburn - 111.5
3. South Carolina - 105
4. LSU - 103
5. Missouri - 98
6. Georgia - 95.5
7. Florida - 93
8. Miss St - 91
8. Ole Miss - 91
10. Texas A&M - 84.5
11. Arkansas - 45
11. Tennessee - 45
13. Kentucky - 33.5
14. Vandy - 31
Had a keystroke error on Vandy's OL score and gave them 28 pts when only were supposed to get 8.
Big change.
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:38 pm to Ericvol2096
Based on our style of offense and playbook, UGA rankings would be be multiplied like below.
QB- 1 (1.33 mult)
RB - 1 (1.5 mult)
WR/TE - 4 (1.3 mult)
OL - 5 (1.75 mult)
DL - 4 (1.65 mult)
LB - 3 (1.25 mult)
DB - 4 (1.1 mult)
QB- 1 (1.33 mult)
RB - 1 (1.5 mult)
WR/TE - 4 (1.3 mult)
OL - 5 (1.75 mult)
DL - 4 (1.65 mult)
LB - 3 (1.25 mult)
DB - 4 (1.1 mult)
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:38 pm to Ericvol2096
That's actually not bad, but SC is a real outlier.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:42 pm to MIZ_COU
Yea, this stuff doesn't add in coaching or team chemistry factors at all.
It was clear SC had a real mental issues last year.
But overall I think this shows how much TN has improved their roster in a very short amount of time.
We will be a factor for the first time in a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG time this year.
It was clear SC had a real mental issues last year.
But overall I think this shows how much TN has improved their roster in a very short amount of time.
We will be a factor for the first time in a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG time this year.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:51 pm to Ericvol2096
Having the best QB in the division isn't twice as valuable as the 7th or 14 times as valuable as last place. I'd do it in a 100 scale and look at QBRs of the last three seasons of QBs averages for corresponding rankings vs pt totals to give you a better look. Meaning what did the best QB each of the last three seasons average in conference play? What about the second best? Etc etc. Should be a pretty interesting trend. If you could plot it vs games started that would also be valuable in determining a multiplier, IMO.
Everything other position is going to be marginal increments at the same idea. I'd cap them at 60pts and but the floor at 30. 1st place through 3rd place gets somewhere from 50-60 pts. Then 4th-9th 40-50 pts. And 10th-14th the rest. Bell curves being a concept I think we could show for each class, games started, etc.
Otherwise it really doesn't tell us much. The arbitrary scoring and weighting metrics aren't based in actual production.
Everything other position is going to be marginal increments at the same idea. I'd cap them at 60pts and but the floor at 30. 1st place through 3rd place gets somewhere from 50-60 pts. Then 4th-9th 40-50 pts. And 10th-14th the rest. Bell curves being a concept I think we could show for each class, games started, etc.
Otherwise it really doesn't tell us much. The arbitrary scoring and weighting metrics aren't based in actual production.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:55 pm to Ericvol2096
The base data is based on projections, so it's still an educated guess, but I was surprised at how well last years looked.
quote:You will certainly be a factor but you have real questions on the Oline and without decent Oline play an offense is fuked. The rest of your team has to be considered young and unproven. You could finish anywhere from 1st to 5th. Of course I could say that about MZ also
We will be a factor for the first time in a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG time this year.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:57 pm to MIZ_COU
I just updated last years as I had one big key stroke, but it actually made it look more accurate as it involved giving Vandy 20 extra points.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:09 pm to Ericvol2096
Here would have been last years using the x2 QB and 1.5 OL/DL formula
1. Alabama - 121
2. Auburn - 106.5
3. SC - 98.5
4. LSU - 95.5
5. Georgia - 93.5
6. Missouri - 92.5
7. Miss St - 89
8. Ole Miss - 88.5
9. Florida - 88
10. Texas A&M - 78.5
11. Tennessee - 46.5
12. Arkansas - 43
13. Kentucky - 31
14. Vandy - 29
That projected
SEC West
1. Alabama (0)
2. Auburn (-2)
3. LSU (-2)
4. Miss St (+2)
5. Ole Miss (+2)
6. A&M (0)
7. Arkansas (0)
SEC East
1. SC (-4)
2. UGA (0)
3. Missouri (+2)
4. Florida (+1)
5. TN (+1)
6. Kentucky (0)
7. Vandy (0)
Total deviation from final standings was 14 spots...really not that terrible. Only one team had more than 2 spot deviation.
1. Alabama - 121
2. Auburn - 106.5
3. SC - 98.5
4. LSU - 95.5
5. Georgia - 93.5
6. Missouri - 92.5
7. Miss St - 89
8. Ole Miss - 88.5
9. Florida - 88
10. Texas A&M - 78.5
11. Tennessee - 46.5
12. Arkansas - 43
13. Kentucky - 31
14. Vandy - 29
That projected
SEC West
1. Alabama (0)
2. Auburn (-2)
3. LSU (-2)
4. Miss St (+2)
5. Ole Miss (+2)
6. A&M (0)
7. Arkansas (0)
SEC East
1. SC (-4)
2. UGA (0)
3. Missouri (+2)
4. Florida (+1)
5. TN (+1)
6. Kentucky (0)
7. Vandy (0)
Total deviation from final standings was 14 spots...really not that terrible. Only one team had more than 2 spot deviation.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:56 pm to Jagd Tiger
quote:
double weighting seems to be the vol way...
I hope this photo from the 90s, when we were winning championships never goes away.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 4:22 pm to BigOrangeBri
It's actually from the 2001 SEC title game.
Just to illustrate how far Butch has brought TN's talent.
I can take the illustration further by showing you what OUR point total was for 2012 (supposed to be the breakout year for Dooley and 2013 along with 2014 and 2015 (which we still have DB and ST points to come).
The apostrophe is what those ranked compared to the totals I put together for 2014, can't do all the schools for those old years.
2012
79 points (10th)
2013
54 points (11th)
2014
46.5 points (11th)
2015
84 points with two more groups to go!
FOLKS!
Just to illustrate how far Butch has brought TN's talent.
I can take the illustration further by showing you what OUR point total was for 2012 (supposed to be the breakout year for Dooley and 2013 along with 2014 and 2015 (which we still have DB and ST points to come).
The apostrophe is what those ranked compared to the totals I put together for 2014, can't do all the schools for those old years.
2012
79 points (10th)
2013
54 points (11th)
2014
46.5 points (11th)
2015
84 points with two more groups to go!
FOLKS!
Posted on 3/2/15 at 4:40 pm to Ericvol2096
quote:
84 points with two more groups to go!
Oh, no doubt. We're definitely moving in the right direction.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 6:32 am to BigOrangeBri
I'm predicting Vols in 3rd for Secondary today...that would give us 11 more points.
Let's see what comes out at 10:30AM.
Let's see what comes out at 10:30AM.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 7:05 am to Ericvol2096
I feel like you should double weight your legs, handcuff your arms behind your back and jump into a lake.
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