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re: Dual threat QB. Pendulum shifting?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:58 pm to 3down10
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:58 pm to 3down10
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I watched Greg McElroy pick up a 1st down against Florida in the 2009 SECCG running down the sideline. I even have a Daniel Moore that was given to me as a gift of it.
Scrambles aren't a sign of a dual threat.
Depends on the scramble. Not all scrambles are the same.
Even a non dual threat can get a rare first down with their legs. Looks like the 2009 Bama QB did it. What were his career running stats?
71 yards on 114 carries and 1 TD vs North Texas = Not a dual threat.
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:18 pm to djsdawg
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Depends on the scramble. Not all scrambles are the same.
Even a non dual threat can get a rare first down with their legs. Looks like the 2009 Bama QB did it. What were his career running stats?
71 yards on 114 carries and 1 TD vs North Texas = Not a dual threat.
Nobody would ever call Greg McElroy a dual threat QB. That was the point.
But he was given the opportunity for the yards and took it.
I think jangalang said it well. It's just taking what the defense gives you, it's not creating it. I think there is a difference. All that space is open because they are all downfield trying to stop the pass.
Sure some are better and faster than others, but I just think true dual threat QBs are rare and the majority of the ones people call DT aren't the type that win NC because they lack the passing aspect.
Either way, I don't see where there is going to be agreement here, so whatever.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:50 pm to 3down10
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Nobody would ever call Greg McElroy a dual threat QB. That was the point.
Of course, but even a non dual threat can get a rare first down with their legs.
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think jangalang said it well. It's just taking what the defense gives you, it's not creating it.All that space is open because they are all downfield trying to stop the pass.
There is a difference between escaping major pressure on a blitz and taking off for a 20 yard run for a TD and simply "taking what the D gives you" while you stumble forward for 5 yards.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:00 pm to djsdawg
And I'd 100% call Burrow in college a dual threat QB, but you have to set the delineator somewhere arbitrary. Burrow was just under 400 yards, so there you go.
But he also ran a lot less and for lower YPC than Watson, who apparently only ran on coverage scrambles and therefore cannot be a dual threat QB despite his near 700 yards rushing his championship season.
But he also ran a lot less and for lower YPC than Watson, who apparently only ran on coverage scrambles and therefore cannot be a dual threat QB despite his near 700 yards rushing his championship season.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:43 pm to jonnyanony
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And I'd 100% call Burrow in college a dual threat QB, but you have to set the delineator somewhere arbitrary. Burrow was just under 400 yards, so there you go.
Yep. It’s not a firm line you set, and his reduced 4th q playtime is the only reason why he didn’t get more yards.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:50 pm to Bamafig
Will Howard has over 1000 career rushing yards and 26 TDs but isn't a DT QB? Riley Leonard has over 2000 career rushing yards and 34 TDs but not a DT?
The only QB left that isn't DT is Ewers. All 3 of the others are DT.
Gonna venture to guess that most of the QBs of the playoff teams had dual threats. Offhand I know SMU, Arizona State, and Clemson were. In the RPO world, a running QB is a necessity. Maybe OP is confusing DT with run-first.
The only QB left that isn't DT is Ewers. All 3 of the others are DT.
Gonna venture to guess that most of the QBs of the playoff teams had dual threats. Offhand I know SMU, Arizona State, and Clemson were. In the RPO world, a running QB is a necessity. Maybe OP is confusing DT with run-first.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:55 pm to Quicksilver
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Riley Leonard has over 2000 career rushing yards and 34 TDs but not a DT?
I sure wish he was not a capable runner. His ability to run is a major reason why they beat uga.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:49 am to jonnyanony
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Watson, who apparently only ran on coverage scrambles and therefore cannot be a dual threat QB despite his near 700 yards rushing his championship season.
That was an incredibly dumb take.
“Go ask him if he gets Offended when someone points out he runs well!”
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:39 am to Bamafig
I would think a dual threat QB who is a TRUE dual threat would be worth their weight in gold; however, these days "dual threat" is really just a running QB.
If these were the wishbone days, a lot of "dual threat" QBs would actually be wishbone QBs.
If these were the wishbone days, a lot of "dual threat" QBs would actually be wishbone QBs.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:44 am to EauxZark Tiger
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:52 am to Bamafig
Dual-threat QBs don't come with an expiration date. The NFL can't wait to get their hands on anyone who can change the game with their feet. Mostly because they are still transitioning to the college game and there's no going back. College football is just as hungry for the next great dual threat as the NFL is becoming.
What I do see changing, is the NFL's ability to value great running backs in these schemes. Barkley, Gibbs, Jacobs, and King Henry, are a few of the difference-makers and should be paid like elite WRs.
What I do see changing, is the NFL's ability to value great running backs in these schemes. Barkley, Gibbs, Jacobs, and King Henry, are a few of the difference-makers and should be paid like elite WRs.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:43 am to skrayper
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I would think a dual threat QB who is a TRUE dual threat would be worth their weight in gold; however, these days "dual threat" is really just a running QB. If these were the wishbone days, a lot of "dual threat" QBs would actually be wishbone QBs.
Safe to assume you are basing this on Jalen hurts and Milton?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:47 am to skrayper
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these days "dual threat" is really just a running QB.
Yeah, a running QB who throws the ball. Those are the two threats.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:49 pm to jonnyanony
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Yeah, a running QB who throws the ball. Those are the two threats.
And we can flip it:
A passing qb who runs well. Also 2 threats.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:55 pm to skrayper
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would think a dual threat QB who is a TRUE dual threat would be worth their weight in gold; however, these days "dual threat" is really just a running QB.
There is such a thing as a bad dual threat qb
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:01 pm to jonnyanony
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Yeah, a running QB who throws the ball. Those are the two threats.
It's only a dual "threat" if they throw the ball WELL.
Otherwise they're just a running back with a strong throwing arm.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:04 pm to skrayper
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It's only a dual "threat" if they throw the ball WELL.
Nope. There is such a thing as a bad passing dual threat.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:06 pm to zdfger
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Like Riley Leonard?
I made this post ITT:
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ND needed every bit of their dual threat QB
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:17 pm to djsdawg
Yeah and he delivered every bit. Respect!
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