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Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:36 pm to mmjones87
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I was simply pointing out to yall's newb that the Heisman Trophy doesnt make you a badass
Just becuase we are "newbs" to this forum, does not mean we dont know just as much about football as you lol. That is the way your statement just came off. I am not going to argue with you about this cause it is a stupid argument. Ingram was the best player in CFB this year...Toby had more yards but his YPC were not as good.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:37 pm to Alahunter
McFadden
Cecil Collins
Cadillac/Ronnie Brown (your choice)
Cecil Collins
Cadillac/Ronnie Brown (your choice)
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:38 pm to Geert
Cecil Collins
Darren McFadden
Cadillac Williams
Darren McFadden
Cadillac Williams
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:38 pm to molsusports
You're also using a Seniors, 4th year stats against a Sophomore's. Ingram in both their second years, had 400 more yards than Jackson. If you want to compare more evenly, do that. Over their first two years, Ingram has more TD's, more rushing yards and more receiving in the same timeline as other touted RB's.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:39 pm to NOLATide
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I agree, and I think the Heisman is a joke more often than not. But Ingramns stats were incredible, and cannot be questioned by reasonable people. Plus he did what he did behind an OL that was consider by most to be our weak link before the season. Most of the criticism is hollow and rings of Bama hatred, rather than any other objective reasoning.
There's room for reasonable people to take notice of how well Richardson did this year when given the chance... or note that Bama was fairly balanced and better on offense than they were expected to be
None of that seems like Bama hatred... seems like kool aid in a way really
And when the Heisman always goes to a skill offensive player from a high profile school it is clearly a far cry removed from it's stated purpose of honoring the best player in college football. It should clearly go to a variety of positions - including linemen and defense only players
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:39 pm to lawrence
Shaun Alexander
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Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:40 pm to Klaus
Heisman trophy=kiss of death to NFL career
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:40 pm to NOLATide
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How many times did that little wingback McCluster go over 100?
I put him in my rotation for a change of pace and his pass catching ability.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:42 pm to Alahunter
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You're also using a Seniors, 4th year stats against a Sophomore's. Ingram in both their second years, had 400 more yards than Jackson. If you want to compare more evenly, do that. Over their first two years, Ingram has more TD's, more rushing yards and more receiving in the same timeline as other touted RB's.
Well if we just wanted to go with obscene stats in college I'd think we'd talk at least a little about Barry Sanders (gawd, same team at thurman thomas at ok state... ridiculous)
Single year Jackson (Bo missed most of his junior year due to injury and didn't play as much as an underclassman) was clearly better than Ingram IMO... but that's just because Jackson was a once in a decade kind of player... not because Ingram isn't great
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:43 pm to mmjones87
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False
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Jason White
Didn't LSU beat them that year?
And I believe that the Heisman trophy is for what happens in college. McFadden was my choice when he lost to Tebow, and he hasn't been all that spectacular in the NFL. Nor has Reggie Bush. Nor has Matt Leinart. But they were badasses on the field in college. Just because heisman trophy winners haven't had a good career after college, doesn't mean they weren't great college athletes.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:45 pm to secftw
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Didn't LSU beat them that year?
WTF does that have to do with anything?
T or F, Ingram had the best RB stats in FBS?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:46 pm to secftw
Guys, nobody is sitting here disputing that Ingram is a talented running back. This argument is fricking retarded.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:49 pm to Alahunter
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So was Ingrams season. You realize, that in Bo's Heisman season, he only had like 1786 yds and Ingram had over 1900 total yards in his, right?
You're commparing All Purpose yds? cause Ingram had like 1650 rushing. Hunter trying to throw some smoke? not like you
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:49 pm to Jaydeaux
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WTF does that have to do with anything?
T or F, Ingram had the best RB stats in FBS?
Because if LSU beat them, how could he have been the best player on the best team?
And are we really going to bring up a RB who ran in a piss-poor conference and managed a shite ton of 1 yard TDs?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:52 pm to Jaydeaux
1650 yards Jackson only had 1786. All purpose goes into it. He produced on the field, leaving off yardarge when he touched the ball is stupid. It was all running and receiving out of the backfield. Discounting any is stupid. he's got over 2770 yds and 32 TD's and one turnover in 2 yrs. That can't be brushed away.
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Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:53 pm to Alahunter
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1650 yards Jackson only had 1786. All purpose goes into it. He produced on the field, leaving off yardarge when he touched the ball is stupid. It was all running and receiving out of the backfield. Discounting any is stupid. he's got over 2770 yds and 32 TD's and one turnover in 2 yrs. That can't be brushed away.
Not to mention he didn't even get half the team's carries. He shared the ball a lot.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:56 pm to secftw
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And are we really going to bring up a RB who ran in a piss-poor conference and managed a shite ton of 1 yard TDs?
You can angle it anyway you want. Just saying he wasn't the top RB this year. Getting 50 yds v Arky should have put him out of the conversation.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 2:01 pm to Jaydeaux
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You can angle it anyway you want. Just saying he wasn't the top RB this year. Getting 50 yds v Arky should have put him out of the conversation.
You're right. Because Gerhart's 80 vs Wake was so very impressive.
Ingram didn't get the number of carries Gerhart did, and was held to a grand total of 29 carries between the team's 3 weakest opponents (yet still managed 250 yards). 29 carries was like an average game for Toby.
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