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re: Does the SEC want the Sooners?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:15 pm to 5thTiger
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:15 pm to 5thTiger
Okay, you keep day dreaming young man. It's obvious you have a woody for the B1G, and that's fine. A portion of our fanbase has one too. As for me, I will stay grounded knowing this is our home now and enjoy it.
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Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:15 pm to 5thTiger
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Who in 2009 thought Mizzou to SEC was a possibility?
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Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:31 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Okay, you keep day dreaming young man. It's obvious you have a woody for the B1G, and that's fine. A portion of our fanbase has one too. As for me, I will stay grounded knowing this is our home now and enjoy it
I am a Mizzou to B1G supporter. I believe that it is the correct route as an institution of higher learning and research. I don't blame the administration for making the best move at the time to the SEC, but I would urge them to keep options open.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:36 pm to 5thTiger
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B1G made the smart move while the SEC and ACC sold their soul to ESPN.
You do know it started out with the B1G owning the majority of the BTN but after the first year FOX gained majority control.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:38 pm to RocketBallz
SEC W
Missouri
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Texas
Aggy
LSU
Ole Miss
Moo St
SEC E
Vandy
Tenner
Bammer
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
SCAR
Kentucky
that would be the best athletic league in the world regardless of sport. TAMU the only questionable inclusion, they should drop and start trying to find a way to hook up with somebody like-minded like byu.
Missouri
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Texas
Aggy
LSU
Ole Miss
Moo St
SEC E
Vandy
Tenner
Bammer
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
SCAR
Kentucky
that would be the best athletic league in the world regardless of sport. TAMU the only questionable inclusion, they should drop and start trying to find a way to hook up with somebody like-minded like byu.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:41 pm to Cheese Grits
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You do know it started out with the B1G owning the majority of the BTN but after the first year FOX gained majority control
Yes, 51-49 split joint venture. But how much of SEC Network does the SEC own?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:45 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I do. Bama vs Oklahoma every year would instantly be one of the games I look forward to the most.
You only say that because it would be new. OU is not the OU of old. They are one step away from becoming as irrelevant as Nebraska. The only thing that keeps them a step above is they're neighbor, the state of Texas. OU would struggle more in the west than OM and MSU.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:47 pm to 5thTiger
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But how much of SEC Network does the SEC own?
Don't need to own it. Besides the check ESPN writes the home office, look at all the free advertising and free exposure the conference gets on all the other ESPN channels.
It is sorta like the SEC / CBS deal. Conference might get more, but that slot is with keeping even if the conference gets less.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:53 pm to Cheese Grits
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Don't need to own it. Besides the check ESPN writes the home office, look at all the free advertising and free exposure the conference gets on all the other ESPN channels.
It is sorta like the SEC / CBS deal. Conference might get more, but that slot is with keeping even if the conference gets less.
I don't see the value in "free advertising or exposure" as opposed to actual dollars when being a P5 conference and winning gets enough exposure as is. To each his own I guess.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:53 pm to 5thTiger
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with junior membership...I think everyone agrees that with full membership we would have gone. It isn't ridiculous to think given all our academic connections...AAU, Big Ten and Friends (yes we are in that club), CFAT, etc.
It wouldn't have been ridiculous 6 years ago when we didn't even know the SEC was a possibility. It is beyond ridiculous to even consider this as a consideration in current times.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:54 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Yes, we would of went to the B1G with full membership, but that ship sailed about 3 years ago. You can sit there and come up with scenarios and reasons why Mizzou would make the move, but they will be delusional ones.
If we had known that the SEC was a possibility at that time, I'm not even sure a full membership to the B1G would have led to us going there instead.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:57 pm to reedus23
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If we had known that the SEC was a possibility at that time, I'm not even sure a full membership to the B1G would have led to us going there instead.
Come on...lets not be delusional here. If 6 years ago the B1G and SEC both said, "full membership" right now, 10/10 times we go to the B1G
Posted on 6/26/15 at 2:01 pm to 5thTiger
There would never be enough fan support for Mizzou to leave the SEC for the Big 10...obviously fans don't make the decision but it would take a completely disconnected chancellor/administration gone rogue to get Mizzou to leave the SEC for the Big 10. Our fans love the SEC.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 2:02 pm to 5thTiger
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Come on...lets not be delusional here. If 6 years ago the B1G and SEC both said, "full membership" right now, 10/10 times we go to the B1G
Don't think I'd go so far as to say 10 out of 10 times. What I am confident in saying is that if they did choose to go that route, it would have been the biggest mistake made by the decision makers since allowing tejas into the Big 8.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 2:23 pm to OzarksTiger
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There would never be enough fan support for Mizzou to leave the SEC for the Big 10...obviously fans don't make the decision but it would take a completely disconnected chancellor/administration gone rogue to get Mizzou to leave the SEC for the Big 10. Our fans love the SEC
Like we have mentioned earlier, I think there is a segment who love the SEC, and a segment who love the B1G. Truth is, fans don't make much of difference in terms of decision making. As bad as that sounds, it is the truth.
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Don't think I'd go so far as to say 10 out of 10 times. What I am confident in saying is that if they did choose to go that route, it would have been the biggest mistake made by the decision makers since allowing tejas into the Big 8
I think everyone agrees that letting Texas in was a bad decision. (Hear that SEC?). It might be your opinion that it would be a huge mistake...but the numbers don't really suggest that.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 2:28 pm to 5thTiger
Does the SEC want the Sooners? In the words of the immortal TBird...
They don't bring the TVs, and therefore the money. Plus, unless they can dissolve their ties to little brother, it's a non-starter, IMO.
Again with this? You need to see someone about the B1G boner you've been sporting for years now. Or, just pick a B1G team and become a fan. We landed in the best possible place for us, and we aren't leaving.
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frick no.
They don't bring the TVs, and therefore the money. Plus, unless they can dissolve their ties to little brother, it's a non-starter, IMO.
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5thTiger
Again with this? You need to see someone about the B1G boner you've been sporting for years now. Or, just pick a B1G team and become a fan. We landed in the best possible place for us, and we aren't leaving.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 2:46 pm to 5thTiger
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don't see the value in "free advertising or exposure" as opposed to actual dollars when being a P5 conference and winning gets enough exposure as is.
The issue is that there is a limited number of channels for content to go on. This limit can create real exposure differences.
Lets take the SEC Tier 1 contract for example. It is well known that what CBS pays for those games is below market value for those games. The B1G is probably going to be making twice what the SEC makes for Tier 1 by 2017.
BUT for that cut in revenue, the SEC is the only conference shown on Saturday on CBS. All the other big games on all the other conferences have to fight to get on ABC or maybe ESPN 1. So in that case the SEC has chosen to take less for their TV rights to have those exclusive TV slots.
I would argue that these exclusive slots are part of the reason the SEC dominates the list of the highest rated games every year. I would also argue that this exposure has helped the SEC in recruiting and in the national press. It is a lot easier for the national press to care when they find your games on CBS instead of Fox Sports One.
Plus sometimes this exposure CAN lead to money. Thanks to the CBS deal the SEC is a national brand, and is able to get decent SECN rates for millions of Americans outside the SEC footprint. In a way taking less on the CBS deal gets the SEC more on the SECN deal. They are smart like that. ND does the same thing with NBC.
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 6/26/15 at 2:53 pm to semotruman
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that would be the best athletic league in the world regardless of sport. TAMU the only questionable inclusion, they should drop and start trying to find a way to hook up with somebody like-minded like byu.
1. Beans - it has been stated several times that ou and okie lite are a PACKAGE DEAL. You don't get to pick and choose.
2. Lots of stuff looks good on paper. texass is a pompous and self-severing lot in real life. Do you really want that drama/crap in the SEC??? Boren doesn't want to deal with it now. You play with turds, you get it on your hands.
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 6/26/15 at 2:57 pm to semotruman
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gain with this? You need to see someone about the B1G boner you've been sporting for years now. Or, just pick a B1G team and become a fan. We landed in the best possible place for us, and we aren't leaving.
It's amazing how stubborn and delusional he is about beating this dead horse. He claims the fans really have no input in these decisions, and we don't as a whole as much as we would like....but... What he leaves out is the fans reaction once we found out the SEC was interested in Mizzou. We firebombed them with phone calls, emails, postings, direct contact when the opportunity arose, etc...
The decision makers clearly got the message we wanted out of the Big 12 and in the SEC. The perfect storm brewed at the right time and fans, alum, donors pushed the door open for the smooth sailing we are on now.
The hell with the B1G, we are right where we belong and need to be.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 3:00 pm to cardboardboxer
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Lets take the SEC Tier 1 contract for example. It is well known that what CBS pays for those games is below market value for those games. The B1G is probably going to be making twice what the SEC makes for Tier 1 by 2017.
BUT for that cut in revenue, the SEC is the only conference shown on Saturday on CBS. All the other big games on all the other conferences have to fight to get on ABC or maybe ESPN 1. So in that case the SEC has chosen to take less for their TV rights to have those exclusive TV slots.
I would argue that these exclusive slots are part of the reason the SEC dominates the list of the highest rated games every year. I would also argue that this exposure has helped the SEC in recruiting and in the national press. It is a lot easier for the national press to care when they find your games on CBS instead of Fox Sports One.
Plus sometimes this exposure CAN lead to money. Thanks to the CBS deal the SEC is a national brand, and is able to get decent SECN rates for millions of Americans outside the SEC footprint. In a way taking less on the CBS deal gets the SEC more on the SECN deal. They are smart like that. ND does the same thing with NBC
I see your point in theory, but not in actuality. Ohio State and Alabama are going to get the ratings on any channel, due to their brands. In terms of total conference, at least on the lower end, I think schools would much rather have money to exposure. Vandy-kentucky and purdue-indiana are going to get shitty ratings regardless of channel.
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