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re: Does Gene Stallings get as much love...
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, just out of loyalty and respect for the institution that gave him the opportunity to become what he became. That's honestly what I would have done, regardless of the school in question. The one exception is if it's you're alma matter.
If I'm working at Shell and Exxon offers me a job as the highest paid exec in the land I don't care if everyone in Shell is rabid.
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Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:04 pm to arwicklu
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His work ethic made him.
True, but who gave him the opportunity to show what he could do on the big stage? Many coaches never get that shot through no fault of their own.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:05 pm to arwicklu
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If I'm working at Shell and Exxon offers me a job as the highest paid exec in the land I don't care if everyone in Shell is rabid.
He was the highest paid coach in college football at LSU, and he took a pay cut to leave Miami as many bama fans are quick to point out, so money obviously wasn't much if a factor.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:06 pm to secfan123
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Really. It was LSU that gave him his shot? I thought he came to a school that had been nothing short of pathetic in the 90's, and gave them two SEC titles and their first national title in almost 50 YEARS. But it was LSU who gave him a shot? How bout this: It was Nick Saban that made LSU a national name again. Nick Saban be appreciative to LSU? How bout LSU be appreciative to Nick Saban.
Ka-fricking-BOOM!
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, just out of loyalty and respect for the institution that gave him the opportunity to become what he became. That's honestly what I would have done, regardless of the school in question. The one exception is if it's you're alma matter.
It doesn't make any sense. Look at your coaching staff and they've been all over the SEC. Look at any coaching staff and the guys have bounced around.
There is no such thing as loyalty from a program. If you lose, then you're fired. There is no such thing as loyalty from a coach either.
James Willis went from Auburn to Bama. Lance Thompson went from Bama to Tennessee. Billy Gonzales went from Florida to LSU. Houston Nutt went from Arkansas to Ole Miss. Spurrier went from Florida to USCe. The list goes on and on. Every coaching staff has a guy that worked or played for a rival. They all have many of them.
It has nothing to do with loyalty. It's a career and paycheck to take care of your life and family. You make the best decision based on that just like you would in a corporate job. Nobody whines when someone moves from Texaco to Exxon. It's a career choice.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:10 pm to arwicklu
All those coaches I listed earlier disagree
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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True, but who gave him the opportunity to show what he could do on the big stage?
Mich St?
You realize, the 10 yrs before Saban got to Lsu, yalls record for those yrs was 54-58-1, for a .477 winning percentage. Only 2 times out of the 10, or 20% you had better than a 9 game winning season. You might want to rethink if Lsu was a big stage when he got there.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, just out of loyalty and respect for the institution that gave him the opportunity to become what he became. That's honestly what I would have done, regardless of the school in question.
I have no idea what your line of work is, but if Ole Miss or Alabama or Auburn or whoever offered you a better job than what you have now, and LSU didn't, you wouldn't take it out of loyalty? That's just crazy.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:14 pm to Alahunter
Careful about who you debate with, Alahunter. You might wind up looking like he does. 
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:14 pm to Alahunter
Please. LSU's history and resources far outweigh Michigan States.
I take it by your logic Alabama wasn't a big stage when Saban arrived?
I take it by your logic Alabama wasn't a big stage when Saban arrived?
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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All those coaches I listed earlier disagree
It also used to be common for people to stay at a job for 30 years. It was seen as a black mark on the resume to bounce around. That isn't the norm with old ideas of employer loyalty dying fast.
Plus you listed a small list of coaches which would be considered the exception, not the rule. Coaching is one of the most cutthroat and ruthless professions in the world.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I take it by your logic Alabama wasn't a big stage when Saban arrived?
It was a big old stage that seriously needed renovation.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:17 pm to Robot Santa
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I have no idea what your line of work is, but if Ole Miss or Alabama or Auburn or whoever offered you a better job than what you have now, and LSU didn't, you wouldn't take it out of loyalty? That's just crazy.
If it was
A.) A job that I would be directly competing against LSU
and/or
B) Any way I could make similar money without taking that job
then no, I wouldn't take it
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I take it by your logic Alabama wasn't a big stage when Saban arrived?
Bama had won the SEC and several NC's before Saban got here. We were down and the job wasn't what it should have been. Now it is, whereas, Lsu is slipping in its aura of being considered a big stage again. Yall had one NC in a hundred yrs and had not won an SEC championship in 12 yrs when he got there.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:19 pm to arwicklu
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It also used to be common for people to stay at a job for 30 years. It was seen as a black mark on the resume to bounce around. That isn't with old ideas of employer loyalty dying fast.
Plus you listed a small list of coaches which would be considered the exception, not the rule. Coaching is one of the most cutthroat and ruthless professions in the world.
Well loyalty is a huge thing for me in all aspects of life, I make no appologies for it because I don't think it's a bad quality.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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If it was
A.) A job that I would be directly competing against LSU
and/or
B) Any way I could make similar money without taking that job
then no, I wouldn't take it
Can I have your autograph? You're an inspiration to all of us heathens who don't have the moral character you do. Please, tell us how we can be more like you.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Draconian Sanctions
also.. before Saban's arrival, in your entire history of football, yall only had 5 seasons with 10 wins or more. Yall have now doubled that since his first year of hire there.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Please. LSU's history and resources far outweigh Michigan States.
Resources maybe. History before Saban got there is about the same.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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If it was
A.) A job that I would be directly competing against LSU
and/or
B) Any way I could make similar money without taking that job
then no, I wouldn't take it
What if you had worked for LSU a few years ago and you switched professions?
You want to move back to your old profession but your old job isn't there anymore.
It doesn't really matter. It's easy to take the moral high-ground when you don't have a multi-million dollar offer on the table and a family that is taking part in that decision making process. He didn't want to stay in the NFL so he took the college job that made him and his family happiest. If you put your former employer before your hapiness and family, then you're either lying or have your priorities in the wrong place.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:21 pm to Alahunter
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Bama had won the SEC and several NC's before Saban got here. We were down and the job wasn't what it should have been. Now it is, whereas, Lsu is slipping in its aura of being considered a big stage again. Yall had one NC in a hundred yrs and had not won an SEC championship in 22 yrs when he got there.
12 years not 22 and anyone who knows anything about the landscape of college football will tell you LSU has always had huge potential, something Saban mentioned himself in his intro press conference.
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