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re: Do Miles' players seem to play harder than those under other coaches?
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:24 pm to dreaux
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:24 pm to dreaux
I guess not giving the players and coaches "all the rope they can handle" leads to things like undefeated seasons and two BCS crystal balls..being the only coach other than Coach Bryant to win the SEC at 2 schools..shite like that, ya know?
Saban demands 100%. It has worked. Coach Miles is a good coach. Maybe his approach will win it all this year.
Saban demands 100%. It has worked. Coach Miles is a good coach. Maybe his approach will win it all this year.
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Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:25 pm to dreaux
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Miles is one of a kind, no doubt. But I don't need you to tell me that.
He is "clever". See you after Thanksgiving...
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:30 pm to Wincrimson
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he's certainly impressed since the rebuilding job of 2008.
yea, i think the problem with miles and the fans in '08 and '09 was that they were not supposed to be rebuilding years. but, and don't take this personally, saban fell down a little in his recruiting after his nc and the yr he left miles didn't make up enough ground so we had some talent problems. add the void at qb and some severe OL attrition, we ended up with a need to rebuild. and yes, he has a way of relating to his players that make them close and want to play hard. thanks for the complement.
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:30 pm to Teague
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Posted by Teague
I think it's just you.
They seem undisciplined to me.
Saban's teams are undisciplined.
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:30 pm to LarrySellers
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All coaches go through a bit of a cleaning house/culture change during their first year or so
this is true and its also a big reason behind all the oversigning that people give the SEC so much shite about.
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:36 pm to dreaux
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No man. I really don't think they give a shite if a coach chews their arse since that is what all coaches do anyway. Its about the different philosophies and comfort zone. It's about the faith they have in their players.
When we played Florida in 07. We went for it on fourth down 4 times and Hester made every single one and scored the winning TD on that drive. Best game I have ever witnessed, That is having faith in your players. I think both teams can play well from behind, but miles empowers his players a little more and will put the game in their hands.
The win against AU the same year. Takes alot of courage for a coach to trust his players like that. And from watching saban for 5 years when he was here, their coaching styles are a little different in that regard
Miles will give the players and coaches all the rope they can handle. Saban will not do that. He has a way he wants it done and that's it
I dont know man, the results on the field since 2008 kind of disproves your opinion. What do you mean by Miles empowering his players? Like he lets them make their own calls on offense? I'm not quite following you.
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:37 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Like he lets them make their own calls on offense?
yes
and special teams as well
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:38 pm to TheDoc
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and special teams as well
Saban does too. Look at the fake punt in the '09 NC.
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Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:46 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I dont know man, the results on the field since 2008 kind of disproves your opinion. What do you mean by Miles empowering his players? Like he lets them make their own calls on offense? I'm not quite following you.
It's ok. Sometimes I don't make sense
Maybe miles has voodoo dolls?
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:48 pm to dreaux
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Maybe miles has voodoo dolls?
okay, this makes sense
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:53 pm to ALcapone
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when your team sucks and guys aren't interested and striving for a goal, some guys play like shite
Brilliant.
Posted on 10/28/11 at 11:55 pm to Wincrimson
Yea, he'll go undefeated one of these days.
Posted on 10/29/11 at 12:10 am to Funky Tide 8
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Like he lets them make their own calls on offense? I'm not quite following you.
I'll take that one.
Suppose its 4th and 1 on the opponents 45 yard line, with your team trailing by 7. Suppose both Miles and Saban think there is a 60% chance that you could get that first down if you went for it, Saban is more likely to punt and play the waiting game. Miles is more likely to put the game in the 'players hands' and go for it or plan some kind of creative fake/reverse. I believe you've seen this happen (last year the TE reverse play). These decisions 'empower' the players over the season, give them confidence that the coaching is designed to get the best out of them, which allows them to play to their strengths.
That's what Dreux was trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong).
Whats interesting to me is that Bama and Hog fans are trying not to change their opinion of Miles (that of him being a goofball), though find it hard to given his on-field record. I wonder what happens if and when LSU beats both teams this year.
Posted on 10/29/11 at 12:45 am to TigerDen
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Suppose its 4th and 1 on the opponents 45 yard line, with your team trailing by 7. Suppose both Miles and Saban think there is a 60% chance that you could get that first down if you went for it, Saban is more likely to punt and play the waiting game.
Do you have any stats to back this up?
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Whats interesting to me is that Bama and Hog fans are trying not to change their opinion of Miles (that of him being a goofball), though find it hard to given his on-field record. I wonder what happens if and when LSU beats both teams this year.
Dude, most of your own fanbase wanted to get rid of him this time last year. Also, most of the people on this board think he is a good coach.
Posted on 10/29/11 at 12:50 am to Wincrimson
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so maybe I'm giving him too much credit?
a gump... giving Miles credit?
Posted on 10/29/11 at 5:35 am to Funky Tide 8
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Dude, most of your own fanbase wanted to get rid of him this time last year. Also, most of the people on this board think he is a good coach.
There is truth to this statement, then he ate grass. Literally. Right before he out coached Saban to win the game. At that point, I made my peace with Les Miles and realized that the "Saban" way is not the only way to win. Miles' approach is simply different than Saban, but both work equally well. I realized last year that Miles was a much better X/O's guy and most of the stuff he does has nothing to do with luck.
Also, I think Miles has improved as a coach every year since he took over. He has made his share of mistakes, but he fixes them and moves on. Given the option of taking a risk, Saban will punt the ball 99% of the time and play good defense. That is his philosophy and he wins lots of games like that. He believes in discipline and waiting for the other guy to make the mistake.
Miles has Lesticals, he will punt enough times at the beginning of the game to setup the trick play. I swear, I believe Miles creates tendencies on film all year long just to break them at key moments during the season.
The most famous player call in the Miles era was Roxy against South Carolina. Spurrier's reaction to that was classic... LINK
This post was edited on 10/29/11 at 5:46 am
Posted on 10/29/11 at 7:18 am to dreaux
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Saban teams are like a machine.
Posted on 10/29/11 at 7:21 am to LSU GrandDad
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but, and don't take this personally, saban fell down a little in his recruiting after his nc and the yr he left miles didn't make up enough ground so we had some talent problems. add the void at qb and some severe OL attrition, we ended up with a need to rebuild
Complete bs. There was no recruiting letdown by Saban after '03. Puh-lease.
The letdown is on Miles only. See '06 class for starters. Recruiting RP proved to be a long term liability and hiring bad assistants early also hurt. The '08-09 years are on Miles, not Saban.
Geesh, some of you Saban haters are absolutely delusional.
Posted on 10/29/11 at 7:32 am to DP40
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Complete bs. There was no recruiting letdown by Saban after '03. Puh-lease.
The letdown is on Miles only. See '06 class for starters. Recruiting RP proved to be a long term liability and hiring bad assistants early also hurt. The '08-09 years are on Miles, not Saban.
Geesh, some of you Saban haters are absolutely delusional.
Saban basically gave up recruiting for LSU before he left. The coaching transition led to a pretty sub par class for recent LSU history. Offensive line recruiting towards the end of Saban's tenure/beginning of Miles' was not strong. This was one of the main reason's for the rough two year stretch.
Also, don't give us that bull shite about how we shouldn't have recruited Perriloux. You are saying LSU shouldn't recruit the #1 player in the country from Louisiana? Miles would have been crucified had he not pursued Perriloux. Don't be stupid.
This post was edited on 10/29/11 at 7:33 am
Posted on 10/29/11 at 7:55 am to BeeFense5
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Saban basically gave up recruiting for LSU before he left.
Link? But no doubt he gave up once he signed w/ the Dolphins, duh.
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Also, don't give us that bull shite about how we shouldn't have recruited Perriloux. You are saying LSU shouldn't recruit the #1 player in the country from Louisiana? Miles would have been crucified had he not pursued Perriloux. Don't be stupid.
Link where I said we shouldn't have recruited him, I simply said it proved to be a long term liability.
Oh, and you quit being stupid.
This post was edited on 10/29/11 at 8:01 am
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