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re: Did Ron Polk and MissSt ever make up?
Posted on 6/9/13 at 11:26 pm to engie
Posted on 6/9/13 at 11:26 pm to engie
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And in my opinion, it started happening in 1991 -- not 2001 as is commonly believed amongst our fanbase.
I disagree. Those teams between 97-2000 were really good teams, and in the early years of Polk 2 we recruited good and had guys like Pap, Maholm, Medders, Jon Knott, Maniscalco etc
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:27 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Those teams between 97-2000 were really good teams,
3 of those 4 were Pat McMahon teams -- and you could argue all 4 since he was there and recruiting as the "head-coach-in-waiting" for several years prior to actually getting the job. Polk had one really good team in the 90s -- the 97 squad that was built on a tremendous 1994 recruiting class which was primarily put together by the guy that's built a damn fine program at Baylor for the past 2 decades.
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in the early years of Polk 2 we recruited good and had guys like Pap, Maholm, Medders, Jon Knott, Maniscalco etc
- Pap was recruited in 99. That's McMahon.
- Maholm was recruited in 00. That's McMahon.
- Medders was recruited in 99. That's McMahon.
- Knott was recruited in Nov 97. That's McMahon.
- Maniscalco was recruited in 99. That's McMahon.
Want to try again?
We were "decent" through the early years of Polk 2 because McMahon has stockpiled him enough talent to get by.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 12:29 am
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:02 am to CoonassBulldog
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:09 am to engie
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We are a gnats arse away from our 5th straight coach taking us to Omaha. Gregory, Polk, McMahon, PolkII....
Coach Bragan coached between Gregory and Polk--he didn't take M State to Omaha.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:09 am to engie
exactly...Good job by Engie to bring more facts
The Legend of Polk is much bigger than the results
We won 6 SEC titles from 1909-1927
No team from 1928-1947
Won 6 more SEC titles from 1948-1971- CWS in 1971
(went 14-1-1 in the SEC in 1962 and didnt win the SEC title nor did we make the NCAA Tourney at 21-5-1)
Polk hired in 1976
All Polk did was keep the program at it's norm- while the NCAA expanded baseball and the NCAA Tourney in the mid-1970's. The SEC added the SEC Tourney in 1977.
Polk's first 14 years as coach were pretty good- but he only made it to Omaha 2 times in his last 14 seasons as coach. Polk also failed to win an SEC title in his last 15 seasons as coach.
The Legend of Polk is much bigger than the results
We won 6 SEC titles from 1909-1927
No team from 1928-1947
Won 6 more SEC titles from 1948-1971- CWS in 1971
(went 14-1-1 in the SEC in 1962 and didnt win the SEC title nor did we make the NCAA Tourney at 21-5-1)
Polk hired in 1976
All Polk did was keep the program at it's norm- while the NCAA expanded baseball and the NCAA Tourney in the mid-1970's. The SEC added the SEC Tourney in 1977.
Polk's first 14 years as coach were pretty good- but he only made it to Omaha 2 times in his last 14 seasons as coach. Polk also failed to win an SEC title in his last 15 seasons as coach.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 2:11 am
Posted on 6/10/13 at 4:48 am to CoonassBulldog
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:38 am to engie
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but he damn sure didn't "build" MSU baseball.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:54 am to CoonassBulldog
You and engie should just frick and get it over with.
Both of y'all suck so hard.
Both of y'all suck so hard.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:29 am to TheDude321
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Coach Bragan coached between Gregory and Polk--he didn't take M State to Omaha.
A one-year interim coach doesn't count for shite.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:48 am to Slippery Slope
You should get your panties in a wad every time someone challenges convention with facts.... Oh, wait....
Posted on 6/10/13 at 9:15 am to engie
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someone challenges convention with facts
a little distorted facts, but facts nonetheless.
I'm not totally disagreeing with you about "building" MSU baseball but to sit there and say mediocre coach is a little bit too much.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 9:57 am to engie
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He was a mediocre coach(and worse recruiter)
That is laughable
Posted on 6/10/13 at 10:32 am to schlow mo
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He was a mediocre coach(and worse recruiter)
Polk is actually a terrible recruiter. His personality is shite. Polk makes Mullen seem like Tim Brewster. But Polk was smart enough in the early days to hire a top notch assistant to recruit- and Polk was very good at assessing talent.
Mark Johnson- late 70's-early 80's- built A&M's program
Pat McMahon- mid and late 80's- left in 1990 for Old Dominion- then came back in in 1995 to start our big run in the late 90's
Steve Smith- took Mac's spot from 90-94 then left to build Baylor's program
Polk was a good coach, but his best attribute was program building. Doing all the off the field aspects as well as on the field to have the best program you can.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/10/13 at 10:57 am to Cdawg
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a little distorted facts, but facts nonetheless.
How have I distorted any facts? People don't like that I'm willing to challenge a convention that they had long since accepted -- which I see more as propaganda than historical accuracy. Many of the lounge-founders from the early 70s agree with me -- which was why I first started looking at our history prior to Polk.
The "legend" of Ron Polk is > the post-1990 reality. That's not a "dig" at Polk. It's fact. No one questions his first 15 years at MSU -- they were tremendous. It's the last 14 I have a problem with -- along with him getting all of the credit for us being the program that we are. Saying he "built" MSU baseball is like saying Bear "built" Alabama football. It's populist opinion to those that ignore/are ignorant of long-term history. You can be the "alltime best" somewhere and not be the founder/builder of that program.
Polk is "the father of the modern era of SEC baseball". I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that we were a very good team before he got there -- and that we decided up front that we were going to be elite in baseball in our very hiring of him as the first full-time, single-purpose baseball coach in the SEC. We invested heavily in baseball before Ron Polk ever won a game here. So, my opinion is that MSU should be given more credit and Ron Polk given less.
How much better shape would we be in right now, today, if we had hired Mainieri in 2001? He would have crawled to Starkville -- and openly campaigned for the job at that time. You tell me...
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/10/13 at 11:00 am to schlow mo
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That is laughable
How do you explain us currently being on the cusp of our best season in 23 years despite Polk basically sabotaging matters from behind the scenes? His stance has not softened. His audience has.
Feel free to link me to the articles showing his undivided support for Cohen and MSU throughout this run. He's almost certainly been contacted for interviews on the matter...
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/10/13 at 11:16 am to Henry Jones Jr
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You serious, Clark?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 11:23 am to engie
I'm not here trying to be a Polk guy but I'm not going to poo poo on the guy either. this will be the last I address it b/c I know you'll take it to 20 pages.
distorting facts to say he was mediocre not the program building part is what I was referring to. It takes a little more than being mediocre to coach as long as he did and be as successful and respected as he was among his peers. It takes being a little more than mediocre to hire great assistants consistently like he did. But then again, I guess this is all opinion anyways.
I couldn't tell you. But I will quote you, "you tell me". But I do remember supporting that hire or actually Steve Smith too at the time. Smith wanted the job badly also and had written in his contract with Baylor that the only school he could leave for with no penalty is State. After Polk went to UGA, I was OK with him not coming back and when he did I felt like he was already checked out which he was.
distorting facts to say he was mediocre not the program building part is what I was referring to. It takes a little more than being mediocre to coach as long as he did and be as successful and respected as he was among his peers. It takes being a little more than mediocre to hire great assistants consistently like he did. But then again, I guess this is all opinion anyways.
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How much better shape would we be in right now, today, if we had hired Mainieri in 2001?
I couldn't tell you. But I will quote you, "you tell me". But I do remember supporting that hire or actually Steve Smith too at the time. Smith wanted the job badly also and had written in his contract with Baylor that the only school he could leave for with no penalty is State. After Polk went to UGA, I was OK with him not coming back and when he did I felt like he was already checked out which he was.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:35 pm to LSUNV
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Did Ron Polk and MissSt ever make up?
Great gif, perfectly apropos to the thread and the post IMHO, well done ...
... but it is shopped. Check it out. Kid rolls the ball down the hill then starts running behind it ... kid can't catch it, nowhere to be seen until moments after the ball strikes the pens. No way could he have covered that distance in the same time the ball traveled the same distance.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:20 pm to scrooster
I seem to recall Polk kinda going over the edge in his ongoing battles with the NCAA over baseball scholly limitations. And didn't he & Skip have issues for a while there, once Skip started his run? Polks came/comes across as a grumpy old fart, going back yrs..is that a fair & accurate description? And fwiw: I freely admit he is the father of the SEC baseball, Skip the grandfather.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:11 pm to Keltic Tiger
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I seem to recall Polk kinda going over the edge in his ongoing battles with the NCAA over baseball scholly limitations
That was mainly his 2nd tenure with State and ultimately his end at State. Many State fans were tired of his tirades against the NCAA, in which he was correct, but thought he wasn't doing his responsibilities as a coach.
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And didn't he & Skip have issues for a while there, once Skip started his run?
I could be wrong but the only beef I can think of was the Tops program that LSU could use. Polk thought if gave LSU an unfair advantage and I think Skip didn't take too kindly to Polk's rhetoric in that regard.
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Polks came/comes across as a grumpy old fart, going back yrs..is that a fair & accurate description?
IMO, I wouldn't say going back years but def since about 2000.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 2:12 pm
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