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re: Did Ole Miss fans really believe they weren’t cheating?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:08 pm to 3down10
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:08 pm to 3down10
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LSU was too poor to take players from Ole Miss.
They beat LSU and Alabama for some of those guys.
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don't consider all infractions to be cheating. I consider paying players to sign with your school to start with is cheating.
I have no idea what boosters do. If they are cheating, then I hope they are caught.
Alabama boosters pay players. It didn’t stop in the 90s with the Means deal.
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But if it's just so easy to buy players and that's how schools do it, why do programs keep spending all this money on recruiting areas and other things? Do they spend all these millions of dollars as just a cover? Why bother when you just need to give money to the recruit and his family?
Don’t take this the wrong way but you’re ignorant. and that’s ok. The fact that you never stepped foot on campus at Alabama is what let me know you were stupid
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Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:08 pm to 3down10
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Alabama sure as hell tried to cheat back in the early 2000's. Where did that get us? No fricking where.
Look at the coaches.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:10 pm to TigerLunatik
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There are better opportunities to play and better coaches paying the same amount of money. Even when they were paying Reggie Bush and those guys when they had the best class ever, they still didn't get ALL of the blue chip athletes. Some players want to play early, some have better relationships with coaches than others. When there are so many programs willing to pay, players have options and weigh other things in their decisions beyond the money because the money is there at every school they're looking at.
USC never cheated with Reggie Bush and they didn't pay Reggie Bush anything.
What happened with Reggie Bush is an agent was paying him in order to be his agent after he got out of college. USC did not benefit at all from the arrangement.
USC got in trouble for not doing enough to prevent it.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:10 pm to Elleshoe
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Don’t take this the wrong way but you’re ignorant.
He's not as dumb as he presents himself. He just wants to argue. Sometimes it's fun to see how far he will take it. This time it's just running in circles.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:11 pm to Elleshoe
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Don’t take this the wrong way but you’re ignorant. and that’s ok. The fact that you never stepped foot on campus at Alabama is what let me know you were stupid
You're right, I didn't go to Alabama. Instead I joined the military.
So feel free to kiss my arse.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:12 pm to TigerLunatik
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Look at the coaches.
And our crappy recruiting classes.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:12 pm to 3down10
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USC did not benefit at all from the arrangement.
They didn't? I guess his Heisman trophy and national championship was no benefit.
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USC got in trouble for not doing enough to prevent it.
No shite. Because they were cheating.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:15 pm to TigerLunatik
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They didn't? I guess his Heisman trophy and national championship was no benefit.
No shite. Because they were cheating.
You are either ignorant to what happened at USC, or you are ignorant to what is actual cheating.
USC did not get in trouble for paying Reggie Bush to come to USC. USC got in trouble for not doing enough to either know he was getting paid by an agent, or not reporting it.
Maybe that's why you guys think everyone is cheating, you don't even know what the frick real cheating is to start with.
Side note: If USC was paying Reggie Bush to be there to start with, why did they need an NFL agent to give him money later?
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:17 pm to 3down10
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Maybe that's why you guys think everyone is cheating, you don't even know what the frick real cheating is to start with.
So edgy.
Just because they werent caught doesnt mean they werent cheating.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:19 pm to 3down10
Because most of the time the money is even on all sides with the big time guys and the recruit ends up going wherever he wants to go anyway, which makes being able to recruit as coaches very important. That’s not what was happening with Ole Miss and it’s why the big schools pitched a fit.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So edgy.
Just because they werent caught doesnt mean they werent cheating.
The whole "everyone is cheating" is just an appeal to peoples cynical side.
When you actually think about it, it makes very little sense to be as wide spread as claimed.
Basketball I believe way more. Basketball is corrupt as frick. Because there are only 5 people on the team, 1 or 2 players can make a huge difference. So it makes sense to just buy a few players.
It doesn't really work the same in football. Not among teams at the top anyway.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:22 pm to peepingcrxxms
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Because most of the time the money is even on all sides with the big time guys and the recruit ends up going wherever he wants to go anyway, which makes being able to recruit as coaches very important. That’s not what was happening with Ole Miss and it’s why the big schools pitched a fit.
So there is an unspoken salary cap, and Ole Miss broke it?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:24 pm to 3down10
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It doesn't really work the same in football. Not among teams at the top anyway.
Based on?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:26 pm to Dolphin
Yes Bama still has to cheat. There is not a broke 18 year old that is going to Bama for free rather than getting big time money form OSU or UF or Oklahoma. It’s absurd to say otherwise
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:32 pm to 3down10
Yes.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:34 pm to TigerLunatik
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He's not as dumb as he presents himself. He just wants to argue. Sometimes it's fun to see how far he will take it. This time it's just running in circles.
Almost right.
I do not believe cheating is as wide spread as people claim, or really even close to it.
But I do like to argue opinions I know are unpopular.
I also do not think things I would classify as a hook up are cheating. When I'm talking about cheating, I'm talking about straight up paying players to come to that school.
All cheating is an infraction, but not all infractions are cheating.
Cam Newton was cheating. Albert Means was cheating and a straight up auction by his coach.
Reggie Bush was not cheating. Reggie Bush is an example of why Saban and other coaches bitch about agents. That agent is not there to work with or help the school at all. That agent is opposite of help as far as schools are concerned.
Getting a $100 handshake is not cheating. Free food or discounted food at a restaurant, not cheating. Those are what I would call hook ups even though they are infractions.
Kind of like I don't classify someone who speeds in the same category as a thief even though they are both illegal.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:36 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Based on?
The general behavior of recruits and players.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:37 pm to peepingcrxxms
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Yes.
So what is the current unspoken college football salary cap?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:41 pm to Dolphin
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:41 pm to MsState of mind
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Yes Bama still has to cheat. There is not a broke 18 year old that is going to Bama for free rather than getting big time money form OSU or UF or Oklahoma. It’s absurd to say otherwise
All players get free legit money from the schools. In addition to that, if they are poor they still qualify for grants and other financial aid.
This on top of their food, clothing and housing all being paid for. They also get other free money as well for legit reasons. Those with families get money for off campus housing. If they need to go home for a holiday, they can get money for that.
And if they really want, they could also get some student loans.
The "poor college athlete" is a myth.
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