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re: Did Ole Miss fans really believe they weren’t cheating?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:42 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:42 pm to TigerLunatik
Fans that play sports at the level of LSU/Bama/Clemson and don’t think their teams are cheating make me laugh. fricking TCU basketball and Creighton have been outed.
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Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:43 pm to 3down10
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So much proof.
Dude, I know you probably didn’t even go to Alabama and have never been to a game, but it’s ok to admit that there is systematic cheating in collegiate athletics at major universities. Deep down, do you believe Alabama isn’t paying for players?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:44 pm to Elleshoe
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Fans that play sports at the level of LSU/Bama/Clemson and don’t think their teams are cheating make me laugh. fricking TCU basketball and Creighton have been outed.
So let's play a little game.
Let's pretend there was no cheating at all in football.
Who signs the #1 class next year and why?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:44 pm to Dolphin
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He can offer a 50% to win at least 1 title while you’re in school, and a better chance to get drafted than any other school in the country. What are you missing?
Titles are nice, they are a bonus to most Players, but they aren't nearly as important as getting drafted in the first 3 rounds that bring with it a signing bonus of at least 7 figures and a good shot to make an NFL Roster
P5 CFB Players have their eyes set on money, the Conference Titles and CFP Titles are for the Fans and coaches, ask any player would he rather have a 3-4 year career at Vandy or Wake and go in the 1st round or have a 3-4 year career at Bama-LSU-FLA etc and get drafted in the 5th round
Of course having both is ideal (like at Bama most yrs), but if the Player has to choose only 1 he's going to always choose the higher draft slot & the money
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:45 pm to Elleshoe
Uh oh, we’ve gotten to this point in the thread...
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:45 pm to 3down10
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So let's play a little game.
Let's pretend there was no cheating at all in football.
Who signs the #1 class next year and why?
That’s irrelevant but it would constantly rotate between teams that compete at the upper echelons
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:46 pm to Elleshoe
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Dude, I know you probably didn’t even go to Alabama and have never been to a game, but it’s ok to admit that there is systematic cheating in collegiate athletics at major universities. Deep down, do you believe Alabama isn’t paying for players?
So Ole Miss just up and outbid everyone?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:46 pm to Elleshoe
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Fans that play sports at the level of LSU/Bama/Clemson and don’t think their teams are cheating make me laugh.
LSU has been cheating for years in at least the big 3. I would guess that softball, track and gymastics are in on it as well. Hell, our tennis program got hit a while back. It happens all over the place in multiple sports.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:46 pm to Elleshoe
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That’s irrelevant but it would constantly rotate between teams that compete at the upper echelons
So you mean the rankings would look basically exactly as they do now?
Interesting.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:47 pm to 3down10
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So Ole Miss just up and outbid everyone?
For some of those guys, yeah. They didn’t end up #1 in the nation. They got a bunch of nice players by paying for them and offering families shite.
Do me one favor, I want you to say that you believe in your heart or hearts that no player on Alabama’s current roster is receiving or has received improper benefits.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:53 pm to 3down10
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you mean the rankings would look basically exactly as they do now?
Well, sure now that the programs are established the only incentives to goto a school would be playing time and getting to the NFL if there was no cheating next year. It would take years for the playing field to level out. Your question doesn't make any sense at all.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:58 pm to Elleshoe
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For some of those guys, yeah. They didn’t end up #1 in the nation. They got a bunch of nice players by paying for them and offering families shite.
Do me one favor, I want you to say that you believe in your heart or hearts that no player on Alabama’s current roster is receiving or has received improper benefits.
LSU was too poor to take players from Ole Miss. I don't consider all infractions to be cheating. I consider paying players to sign with your school to start with is cheating.
I have no idea what boosters do. If they are cheating, then I hope they are caught.
But if it's just so easy to buy players and that's how schools do it, why do programs keep spending all this money on recruiting areas and other things? Do they spend all these millions of dollars as just a cover? Why bother when you just need to give money to the recruit and his family?
It makes sense for a school like Ole Miss to need to do these things. It's cheaper than building a program.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:59 pm to 3down10
I think its hilarious that you really believe Alabama doesnt cheat.
Some people.
Some people.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:01 pm to 3down10
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why do programs keep spending all this money on recruiting areas and other things? Do they spend all these millions of dollars as just a cover? Why bother when you just need to give money to the recruit and his family?
You still aren't getting it.
If the top 20-30 (it may be more than that) schools are all paying players, then you have to keep up in all of those other areas as well. This isn’t difficult.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:03 pm to TigerLunatik
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Well, sure now that the programs are established the only incentives to goto a school would be playing time and getting to the NFL if there was no cheating next year. It would take years for the playing field to level out. Your question doesn't make any sense at all.
So the rankings would look the same, regardless of cheating or not?
Well, other than the jumps from schools like Ole Miss, who promptly got caught cheating.
It was more a point that for some odd reason regardless of cheating or not, the results stay the same.
Did USC just suddenly stop paying it's players recently? Or is it because they are in the dumps as a program? Does Tua end up at Alabama if USC is a team making the playoffs? Nope.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:04 pm to TigerLunatik
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You still aren't getting it.
If the top 20-30 (it may be more than that) schools are all paying players, then you have to keep up in all of those other areas as well. This isn’t difficult.
It would be much cheaper to just pay the players. Or is there a salary cap I've not heard of?
You literally have no proof of all this cheating. Anytime I have this discussion it's always the "come on, you know it".
Alabama sure as hell tried to cheat back in the early 2000's. Where did that get us? No fricking where.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:05 pm to 3down10
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Did USC just suddenly stop paying it's players recently?
Getting talented players is only one piece of the puzzle.
A perfect example is LSU's offensive unit the last decade.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:07 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Getting talented players is only one piece of the puzzle.
A perfect example is LSU's offensive unit the last decade.
They have shitty coaching and don't do a good job of developing players for the next reason is why Tua ended up at Alabama over USC.
It doesn't matter if you get good players if you don't develop them.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 2:07 pm to 3down10
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Did USC just suddenly stop paying it's players recently? Or is it because they are in the dumps as a program?
There are better opportunities to play and better coaches paying the same amount of money. Even when they were paying Reggie Bush and those guys when they had the best class ever, they still didn't get ALL of the blue chip athletes. Some players want to play early, some have better relationships with coaches than others. When there are so many programs willing to pay, players have options and weigh other things in their decisions beyond the money because the money is there at every school they're looking at.
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