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re: Did Butch Jones really ride Brian Kelly's coattails?
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:02 pm to NYCAuburn
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:02 pm to NYCAuburn
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The style of the game -- faster than ever -- has made the process of projecting offensive tackles trickier, too. It's not just being able to protect a quarterback's blindside that requires great agility for left tackles, new Tennessee coach Butch Jones points out. It's that there are also so many different kinds of screens and the way the run game has evolved that factors in, as does the influx of the up-tempo offense that has grown in college football.
"There is such a need for good foot quickness, balance and agility, and those things are very hard to find," said Jones, who apparently is a pretty shrewd evaluator/developer of talent.
Jones recruited Staley to Central Michigan. He was the one to bring Fisher, then an agile 242-pound high school football/basketball standout to CMU a few years later before Jones moved on to Cincinnati. Jones also struck gold on another unheralded project while at Cincy, in Eric Lefeld, a former 240-pound two-star defensive end prospect, also a former basketball player, who blossomed into being a First-Team All Big East offensive tackle as a 6-foot-6, 287-pound sophomore in 2012 and is now on the NFL's radar.
The style of the game -- faster than ever -- has made the process of projecting offensive tackles trickier, too. It's not just being able to protect a quarterback's blindside that requires great agility for left tackles, new Tennessee coach Butch Jones points out. It's that there are also so many different kinds of screens and the way the run game has evolved that factors in, as does the influx of the up-tempo offense that has grown in college football.
"There is such a need for good foot quickness, balance and agility, and those things are very hard to find," said Jones, who apparently is a pretty shrewd evaluator/developer of talent.
Jones recruited Staley to Central Michigan. He was the one to bring Fisher, then an agile 242-pound high school football/basketball standout to CMU a few years later before Jones moved on to Cincinnati. Jones also struck gold on another unheralded project while at Cincy, in Eric Lefeld, a former 240-pound two-star defensive end prospect, also a former basketball player, who blossomed into being a First-Team All Big East offensive tackle as a 6-foot-6, 287-pound sophomore in 2012 and is now on the NFL's radar.
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:02 pm to FulmersGonnaFixIt
Yes he most certainly did. You can bring up their W/L record and list their championships, but it is a well known fact that Brian Kelly built Central Michigan into a respectable team. When he arrived at CMU in 2004 they could only boast 1 winning season since 1995.
By 2005 they were above .500 and by 2006 they were MAC champions.
By 2005 they were above .500 and by 2006 they were MAC champions.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:03 pm to FulmersGonnaFixIt
No! Kelly left the team in a mess. 6 qb's on scholarship, 3 dt's on scholarship and several bad apples.
Jones cleaned house & suffered thru a 4-8 season because of the mess Kelly left him.
Jones is a football coach, Kelly is a used car salesman.
Jones cleaned house & suffered thru a 4-8 season because of the mess Kelly left him.
Jones is a football coach, Kelly is a used car salesman.
This post was edited on 3/19/13 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:03 pm to FulmersGonnaFixIt
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I keep seeing this stated as some sort of "fact". That Jones success is because of Brian Kelly and he just followed Kelly.
It is until proven otherwise. It's hard to say he hasn't ridden the BK's coat tails when his only other HC gigs came directly after BK had set up something successful.
That being said, I'm not going to hold it against him. I'm going to wait and see if he wins football games at UT, because that's honestly the only thing I give a frick about in a HC.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:04 pm to gideon
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:05 pm to gideon
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gideon
You do realize, jones worked for Kelly, dont you? but Staley was a kelly coached cmu recruit and player first, before Jones was the HC
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:06 pm to FulmersGonnaFixIt
Just stop. 
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:06 pm to FulmersGonnaFixIt
kelly left jones with a 12-1 team at cincinatti and a qb with good experience how do you go 4-8 with that team. Even muschamp won 7 games his first year taking over meyers mess, he was only 1 game less so how does jones lose 8 more games?
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:06 pm to Ohiotigerfan
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No! Kelly left the team in a mess. 6 qb's on scholarship, 3 dt's on scholarship and several bad apples.
Jones cleaned house & suffered thru a 4-8 season beacause of the mess Kelly left him.
Jones is a football coach, Kelly is a used car salesman.
SECrant doesn't like these type of rebuttals.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:06 pm to NYCAuburn
You're arguing with two idiots, you know that right?
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:08 pm to NYCAuburn
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You do realize, jones worked for Kelly, dont you? but Staley was a kelly coached cmu recruit and player first, before Jones was the HC
So Jones did recruit some the players that Kelly starting winning with at CMU? :)
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:08 pm to cfbfan#1
quote:and Muschamp did it in the hardest conference in college football.
kelly left jones with a 12-1 team at cincinatti and a qb with good experience how do you go 4-8 with that team. Even muschamp won 7 games his first year taking over meyers mess, he was only 1 game less so how does jones lose 8 more games?
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:08 pm to FulmersGonnaFixIt
I don't know, but he won 4 conference titles in 6 years. you have to be a pretty good coach to accomplish that. back-to-back Big East coach of the year.
and he's 2-1 (an overtime loss away from 3-0) against Charlie Strong.
and he's 2-1 (an overtime loss away from 3-0) against Charlie Strong.
This post was edited on 3/19/13 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:08 pm to cfbfan#1
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kelly left jones with a 12-1 team at cincinatti and a qb with good experience how do you go 4-8 with that team.
UC fans were not all that happy with jones and if were still there this would be his contract year to put up or get fired
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:10 pm to FulmersGonnaFixIt
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So Jones did recruit some the players that Kelly starting winning with at CMU? :)
You could say the same for Dooley and Saban, do you want to make that comparison as well?
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:10 pm to NYCAuburn
he took over two built programs in cmu and cinci. At ut he's taking over a disaster. Do you think brian kelly wouldn't have gone atleast 27-13 in 3 years had he stayed at cmu
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:11 pm to cfbfan#1
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kelly left jones with a 12-1 team at cincinatti and a qb with good experience how do you go 4-8 with that team. Even muschamp won 7 games his first year taking over meyers mess, he was only 1 game less so how does jones lose 8 more games?
Because no defensive starters returned and Pike broke his arm. At one point they had 33 scholarship players on defense and 50+ on offense. Kelly rarely recruited defensive players while at UC.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:13 pm to Ohiotigerfan
is time at notre dame shows that he recruits defense very seriously and as far as the two conference titles at cinci, they played in 0 bcs games so he didn't really win the conference , co titles dont mean shite when you dont get the bcs berth
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:13 pm to Crompdaddy8
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but he won 4 conference titles in 6 years
no he didnt, he won two with an NFL talent at QB at CMU and tied for the other two(but really came in second because of the head to head)
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:13 pm to Ohiotigerfan
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Because no defensive starters returned and Pike broke his arm. At one point they had 33 scholarship players on defense and 50+ on offense. Kelly rarely recruited defensive players while at UC.
Don't try to reason with the rant. They prefer groupthink based on what they think they know, which is nothing.
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