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re: Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:53 am to Indfanfromcol
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:53 am to Indfanfromcol
any thoughts on droping a conference championship game, adding an extra conference game for everyone and going by the top 4 in rankings.
If conference champion doesnt matter, then why have a conference championship. Also doesnt hurt the teams that had to play that extra game in the championship
If conference champion doesnt matter, then why have a conference championship. Also doesnt hurt the teams that had to play that extra game in the championship
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:53 am to ThaKaptin
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:53 am to BamaGradinTn
BamaGradinTn
quote:Unless your Bama!
A team that doesn't win its division winning the BCS would rarely happen also, wouldn't it?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:54 am to Alahunter
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why it's so important to you to try to devalue Bama's accomplishments 90 years ago, but whatever.
can you please direct me to where I did this.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:54 am to NYCAuburn
Conference champs is also screwed under his proposal also, with the Big 12 not having a CG anymore. Why should they be included as one of the big conferences, when they will be playing one less game?
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:54 am to BamaGradinTn
Look, the bottom line is that just taking the top four teams, period, is a helluva lot better for the SEC, because we all know that over time, the SEC would stand a far better chance of having 2 teams in the playoffs, and that means more money for all of our programs. Just look over the last few years...Alabama and LSU, Alabama and Florida (twice actually). I don't care if in a future year the shoe's on the other foot and it's LSU getting in not having won the division. The bottom line is that it's the best thing for all 14 SEC schools, because since we share revenue equally, there's a decent chance in any given year that every SEC school's BCS revenue would be double in a given year.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:56 am to NYCAuburn
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can you please direct me to where I did this.
The spirit of your argument has it spoojed all over it.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:57 am to ThaKaptin
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This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:58 am to BamaGradinTn
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Look, the bottom line is that just taking the top four teams, period, is a helluva lot better for the SEC, because we all know that over time, the SEC would stand a far better chance of having 2 teams in the playoffs, and that means more money for all of our programs. Just look over the last few years...Alabama and LSU, Alabama and Florida (twice actually). I don't care if in a future year the shoe's on the other foot and it's LSU getting in not having won the division. The bottom line is that it's the best thing for all 14 SEC schools, because since we share revenue equally, there's a decent chance in any given year that every SEC school's BCS revenue would be double in a given year.
This right fricking here times elventy fricking billion
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:00 pm to NYCAuburn
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If conference champion doesnt matter, then why have a conference championship. Also doesnt hurt the teams that had to play that extra game in the championship
Sort of the point I was making with last year as a prime example. Announcers along with sports writers were saying that even if LSU had lost to UGA, they would still be voted in.
IMO, I think every conference should be required to have a conference championship, with the winner qualifying for a spot in the playoffs.
Also, I wouldn't be opposed to have a NIT style tournment too, with the top of the remaining teams being put in it. Qualification having nothing to do with conference championship, or even what conference you are in.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:03 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Also, I wouldn't be opposed to have a NIT style tournment too, with the top of the remaining teams being put in it. Qualification having nothing to do with conference championship, or even what conference you are in.
Hell to the fricking no. It's made fun of enough in basketball.
We are trying to preserve the importance of the regular season here, not lower it.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:03 pm to BamaGradinTn
I have no idea how this new "BCS" will or won't work out. Whether good or bad it is not like we, SEC fans have a voice in the matter. Earlier in the thread a poster mentioned how it was before the BCS system came about. The MNC was crowned by a bunch of old farts with delusions of historic grandeur. IMO the 4team play off is f*cking horrible, why fix what ain't broke. Was there any doubt AU and Oregon were not the 2 best teams, Bamam and LSU not the two best teams and UT and Bama not the best teams??? IF the other conferences want change, then change so you don't suck donky arse within your own conf.
P.S. As much as I would have liked for LSU to Play OSU in the BCSCG, Bamma was the appropriate opponent. THe BCS isn't broke.
P.S. As much as I would have liked for LSU to Play OSU in the BCSCG, Bamma was the appropriate opponent. THe BCS isn't broke.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:05 pm to ThaKaptin
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We are trying to preserve the importance of the regular season here, not lower it.
So 4 more teams being in a "we were the shite but couldn't win our conference" tournament would hurt the importance of the regular season?
I think it would keep teams like Boise State and any other teams from week conferences out of the NC race, but appease them with some kind of trophy. And at the same time, offer teams who might have been #2 in the nation that didn't win their conference championship a shot of redemption.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:06 pm to BamaGradinTn
BamaGradinTn
quote:Exactly and that's what Delany and the other Presidents don't want and from the looks of it, Well lets just say it may or will happen more than the other conferences want it to happen. IMO it will happen more and more frequently as good as the SEC is right now and only getting better and stronger.
The bottom line is that it's the best thing for all 14 SEC schools, because since we share revenue equally, there's a decent chance in any given year that every SEC school's BCS revenue would be double in a given year
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:09 pm to Legend13
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Exactly and that's what Delany and the other Presidents don't want and from the looks of it, Well lets just say it may or will happen more than the other conferences want it to happen. IMO it will happen more and more frequently as good as the SEC is right now and only getting better and stronger.
You know Delany has been praying we would get busted for cheating down here. Kinda Ironic that OSU and Penn State would come down in two of the bigger scandals of all time.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:10 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Even if LSU had lost to Georgia, they would still be voted in
Exactly.. Can anyone provide a link to an LSU fan saying "if we lose to Georgia, we shouldnt play in the title game.."? probably not, but some of them want that now..
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:11 pm to 10888bge
That was me that mentioned it and how BYU won by beating #23 in a like the Bluebonnet Bowl. The BCS has been pretty good, imo and there has been very little to sway me from thinking a playoff will be better, especially when conferences aren't equal in size, competition and the manner in which they crown their conference champs. I think the NCAA should disallow 2 byes in a season as well. The bullshite the Big 12 pulled last year, with a 2nd bye so they could play on Championship weekend was an attempt to keep them from being forgotten because they didn't have a CG and played one less game.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:14 pm to Legend13
Last ten years...here would have been the top 4 teams
2011...LSU, Ala, Ok. State, Stanford...2 SEC, 2 PAC
2010...Auburn, Oregon, TCU, Stanford...2 PAC
2009...Ala, Tex, Cincy, TCU
2008...Okla, UF, Texas, Ala...2 SEC
2007...Ohio St, LSU, VT, Okla
2006...Ohio St, Fla, Mich, LSU...2 SEC, 2 B1G
2005...USC, Tex, Penn St, Ohio St....2 B1G
2004...USC, Okla, Aub, Tex...2 Big 12
2003...Okla, LSU, USC, Mich
2002...Miami, Ohio St, UGA, USC
SEC 2 teams 3 different year, PAC two years, B1G two years, Big 12 one year.
2011...LSU, Ala, Ok. State, Stanford...2 SEC, 2 PAC
2010...Auburn, Oregon, TCU, Stanford...2 PAC
2009...Ala, Tex, Cincy, TCU
2008...Okla, UF, Texas, Ala...2 SEC
2007...Ohio St, LSU, VT, Okla
2006...Ohio St, Fla, Mich, LSU...2 SEC, 2 B1G
2005...USC, Tex, Penn St, Ohio St....2 B1G
2004...USC, Okla, Aub, Tex...2 Big 12
2003...Okla, LSU, USC, Mich
2002...Miami, Ohio St, UGA, USC
SEC 2 teams 3 different year, PAC two years, B1G two years, Big 12 one year.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:15 pm to getback
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Exactly.. Can anyone provide a link to an LSU fan saying "if we lose to Georgia, we shouldnt play in the title game.."? probably not, but some of them want that now.
We were on the brink of going to the title game, why the hell would anyone say that.
But now its the off-season, hopefully we can talk some sense, since there is nothing on the line.
I just think maybe only letting conference champions going to the playoffs ins't such a bad idea. It would raise the importance of the conference championship game and even make the hate for other conferences even worse.
I am not opposed to listening to those who think it should be the best 4 teams regardless of the championship game. But why would we even have a championship game then if it was just going to put the best 4 teams.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:16 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Look, the bottom line is that just taking the top four teams, period, is a helluva lot better for the SEC, because we all know that over time, the SEC would stand a far better chance of having 2 teams in the playoffs, and that means more money for all of our programs.
This. It comes down to $$$ peeps. I am all for the SEC handing out the curb stomps in bowl games and getting paid to do it. But, in the mid-long term 2 SEC teams in the NCG is no Bueno. IF2 sec teams are again in the NCG, the Burning of Rome will look like a campfire to the heat that will be brought against the new proposed, non Delay, playoff.
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