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re: Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:29 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:29 am to NYCAuburn
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Are you guys saying that the Rose Bowl back in the day(20's, etc...) decided the NC?
If you read newspaper clippings from back then, you often see it referred to as the college championship game. It was often the east vs the west, or whatever.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:30 am to stapuffmarshy
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go drink some drano dude
I dont think you left any for me to drink after reading your idiotic posts.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:32 am to ThaKaptin
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I dont think you left any for me to drink after reading your idiotic posts.
what that conference champions should play for championships?
boy is that idiotic
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:33 am to Alahunter
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That is exactly what is happening. This is the third time Bama has won the NC and people have decided to change how it can be won.
It's actually the fifth.
1964: Alabama wins the AP and UPI national championships at the end of the regular season but loses its bowl game to Texas. Arkansas is sitting at 11-0 and #2 in both major polls.
Result: AP decides to award its national championship after the bowls. UPI, however, remains the same.
1965: Michigan State wins the UPI national title but lose their bowl game. #2 Arkansas likewise loses its bowl game, leaving the Orange Bowl matchup between #3 Nebraska and #4 Alabama as the de facto national championship game for the AP title. Alabama wins the game, thus winning the AP national championship.
Result: The UPI continues to award its title before the bowl games while the AP also decides to go back to awarding their national title before the bowl games.
1966: Alabama finishes the season with an 11-0 record but finishes #3 behind Notre Dame and Michigan State, despite being the defending national champions, and despite being the only undefeated and untied team in America.
Result: UPI continues to award its national title before the bowls while the AP permanently moves to awarding its national championship after the bowls.
1973: Alabama wins the UPI national championship after one of the most dominating regular season performances in college football history but loses its bowl game to #3 Notre Dame, 24-23, due to a missed extra point.
Result: UPI permanently moves to award its national championship AFTER the bowls have been played.
2011: Everyone knows the story.
Result: Still to be determined...but obviously a MAJOR change.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:34 am to RollTide1987
College football HATES Alabama. Thank God we still have the refs to balance all of the sabotage.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:35 am to Bellabama
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If you read newspaper clippings from back then, you often see it referred to as the college championship game. It was often the east vs the west, or whatever.
It may have involved teams that were NC's but it did not determine the NC. I see some, not all bama fans, saying the Rose Bowl decided the NC thats why they(Bama) claim them as titles.
The Rose Bowl did not determine the NC
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:38 am to stapuffmarshy
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what that conference champions should play for championships?
boy is that idiotic
No, that teams that are obviously better than conference champions be left out. THAT is idiotic.
I could give 2 shits about a team being their conference champion if they are clearly an inferior team to someone else who wasnt a conference champion.
This isnt the NFL. We dont do things the same way they do. And it shows by how much better college football is than the NFL. I dont particularly want to see that change. If you do, then maybe you should just watch the NFL and leave college ball to the rest of us.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:39 am to NYCAuburn
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The Rose Bowl did not determine the NC
The Rose Bowl was the deciding factor in the NC more often that it wasnt before the major polls. So yes, it kind of did.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:40 am to ThaKaptin
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No, that teams that are obviously better than conference champions be left out
what makes them better? cause YOU think so
that's what I want removed from the process- BIAS
top 4 conference champs removes that bullshite
and you keep harping on the nfl? who the frick brought up the NFL?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:45 am to stapuffmarshy
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that's what I want removed from the process- BIAS
Sorry for your loss but its not gonna happen. The people with functioning brains that are involved will not allow it. You can bank on that because keeping the big schools in the mix is what keeps the money flowing. And they are all about the money.
And they also know that making it conference champions only will not only screw the teams that deserve to be there, but also hurt their pocket book at the same time. It's a 2 way loss whereas the other way, at least 1 objective gets met regardless. The best team will ALWAYS have a chance at the title.
The way it should be.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:47 am to ThaKaptin
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The Rose Bowl was the deciding factor in the NC more often that it wasnt before the major polls. So yes, it kind of did.
Again, it may have included teams that won a NC but it was not a game that decided the NC
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:47 am to stapuffmarshy
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that's what I want removed from the process- BIAS
top 4 conference champs removes that bullshite
Didn't you propose using a panel or committee for selecting which 4 conference champions make it into the playoff? How is that removing bias from the process?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:50 am to bona fide
Not really I plan on lsu winning the conference
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:50 am to NYCAuburn
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but it was not a game that decided the NC
Yes it did.
As I said, more often than not, the NC came down to the 2 teams that were in the Rose Bowl. Therefore the winner was the NC. It was done that way on purpose, it wasnt an accident or anything. The Rose Bowl Game people would take the best team from the West and math them up against the best team from the East, which were usually the 2 best teams overall, and the winner was the NC. There were exceptions, but most people acknowledge the Rose Bowl Game winners from that era, especially the undefeated ones, as the NC's because they won that game.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:52 am to sarc
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committee for selecting which 4 conference champions make it into the playoff?
how hard is it to pick the top 4 conferences each year?
SEC
Big12
Big 10
Pac 12
wow
with the ACC having a chance every 2-3 years
so hard
eta: and what exactly are you so afraid of? If Bama wins the conference they are in, what's the problem?
or do you expect to get second chances every year? is that it?
If you are secure in what your university does, than conference champs shouldn't be a issue at all.....so why is it such a problem in your eyes?
we all know the answer so don't bother
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:55 am to ThaKaptin
Alright, you dont want an NFL style or professional style of determining the champion and want to keep the college way of doing it. If thats the case, the bowl system was designed to have teams from seperate conferences play each other. When you have two teams from the same conference play each other in a bowl game it doesnt really keep the ole college format.
There are going to be detractors in every format, as is, it is nearly impossible to develop a format to keep everyone from bitching. There are too many teams and conferences to come up with a win/win format that no one can bitch about. I have a feeling they will come up with a new game plan that will be around for some years, maybe 10 or so. But will be tweeked mid way, then they will change once again.
There are going to be detractors in every format, as is, it is nearly impossible to develop a format to keep everyone from bitching. There are too many teams and conferences to come up with a win/win format that no one can bitch about. I have a feeling they will come up with a new game plan that will be around for some years, maybe 10 or so. But will be tweeked mid way, then they will change once again.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:00 am to stapuffmarshy
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how hard is it to pick the top 4 conferences each year?
SEC
Big12
Big 10
Pac 12
So those are the top 4 IN YOUR OPINION which is potentially influenced by your biases. Sorry to disappoint you but you did not remove bias from the system.
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If you are secure in what your university does, than conference champs shouldn't be a issue at all.....so why is it such a problem in your eyes?
I could ask you the same question. Why are you so afraid of having the 4 best teams in a playoff? Are you afraid that the only way LSU can win another championship is if the pool is diluted by selecting conference champions only?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:01 am to stapuffmarshy
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and what exactly are you so afraid of? If Bama wins the conference they are in, what's the problem?
or do you expect to get second chances every year? is that it?
If you are secure in what your university does, than conference champs shouldn't be a issue at all.....so why is it such a problem in your eyes?
we all know the answer so don't bother
I'm afraid of some shite arse team getting lightning in a bottle at the end of the year when they do not deserve to be there and taking home the hardware. That will devalue college football more than anything in my honest and very serious opinion.
This isnt basketball where everybody gets a shot just for participating. And some of these conferences, it takes very little more than participating to win them. College football has always been about finding the best team in football, not the team that put the right resume together to get to where they needed to be to get a shot.
You can be a conference winner and lose every single OOC game. Does that mean you deserve to be in the NC playoff over someone that lost 1 game all year and it was to the team that is ranked #1 in the country and won the conference championship of the hands down best conference in the country?
I'm thinking not.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:01 am to ThaKaptin
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NC came down to the 2 teams that were in the Rose Bowl
No
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The Rose Bowl Game people would take the best team from the West
No, the took the best from the PAC or whatever it was called then. one out of 10 or so teams does not dictate the best team west of the east coast
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which were usually the 2 best teams overall,
no
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:06 am to NYCAuburn
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No
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The Rose Bowl Game people would take the best team from the West
No, the took the best from the PAC or whatever it was called then. one out of 10 or so teams does not dictate the best team west of the east coast
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which were usually the 2 best teams overall,
no
Yes, yes and yes.
Not sure what else to tell ya NYC. That's how it was.
Notice I also didnt say that this was like this EVERY year. Just most years.
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